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To: netmilsmom
I think it's great except for the already stated opinion that Germany did not start World War 1. Camle blames it on the Serbs. I blame it on the Austo-Hungarian empire who oppressed the Serbs, and for the moron prince to parade around occupied territory without much protection.

Anyway, the Austro-Hungarians imposed unbearable demands upon Serbia as a result. The Serbs agreed to almost all of them. Austro-Hungarians attack Serbia. Serbia has treaty with Russia, so Russia mobilizes against the Austro-Hungarians. Germany has treaty with Austro-Hungarians, so Germany mobilizes against Russia. Russia mobilizes against Germany. France has pact with Russia, so France mobilizes against Germany and the AH's. England has pact with France, and so on. The Germans are quicker to mobilize and knowing their perilous position between two great powers (France and Russia) try to take out France before Russia is fully mobilized.

7 posted on 03/04/2003 4:15:25 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King
Based on a little research (and a couple of Stammtisch discussions with West German nationals in the early 80's, I would humbly submit the following additions:

1956 – Germany stands by while the Soviet hordes crush the Hungarian Revolution.

1968 – Germany stands idly by while Soviet horde and four other Warsaw Pact armies stamp out Czech Reform Movement.
8 posted on 03/04/2003 4:35:24 AM PST by SaudiDuck
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To: Rodney King
ouncil and the Blockade) and maximize German violations).

So, at any rate, a good chunk of the blame for the fact that no one stopped and counted to ten in 1914 was the fault of the FRENCH.

9 posted on 03/04/2003 5:25:47 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Mesopotamiam Esse Delendam)
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To: Rodney King
I blame it on the Austo-Hungarian empire who oppressed the Serbs, and for the moron prince to parade around occupied territory without much protection.

I wonder how America would react if, say, the Cuban secret service had a hand in assassinating G. W. Bush. If anything I blame the Austrians for not acting fast enough in July 1914 and letting this turn into an international crisis.
Also I think we've come to see Serbian nationalists and their myth that the Austrian-Hungarian Empire "suppressed" the Serbs (actually meaning: was in the way of establishing a Greater Serbia, later named Yugoslavia) in a different light since the Serbian genocidal wars in Bosnia and Kosovo. Serbia is much smaller today than it was in 1914.

I agree with you however that Franz Ferdinand was pretty reckless in parading through Sarajevo on Vidov Dan day (anniversary of the battle of Kosovo Polje, where the Turks destroyed the Serbian nobility).

The memorial to Gavrilo Princip (concrete footsteps in the pavement where he shot the archduke and his wife) is gone today, BTW. It was ripped out by Bosnians while Sarajevo was under Serbian siege in the early 90s...
11 posted on 03/04/2003 6:53:20 AM PST by fru
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To: Rodney King
Read about the Car that the Arch Duke was riding in. Everyone who owned that car was killed in the car or BY THE CAR. 2 were run over as they tried to crank it. It is a good read from Mike Worf's radio program.
20 posted on 10/05/2003 10:10:29 AM PDT by Michael121
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