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To: FBD
"marketeers"

A Merchant, eh?! Well, about them there fireplace inserts...what do you think about propane-fired, direct-vent units? I'd prefer to refrain from running gas lines if I can help it, but I wanna allow for some decent local heat gain when these units are in use...if I can disguise the tank aesthetically, do the units make economic sense? And are they idiot/tenant proof?

MUD

929 posted on 03/13/2003 8:41:59 PM PST by Mudboy Slim ("Time fer John Ashcroft to RESIGN!!!")
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To: Mudboy Slim
What's propane running per gal there, vs electricity?

It's hardly justifiable here. LP is $1.80 per 130,000 therms. Electricity is close to the same, while nat. gas is about 50 cents on the dollar cheaper...
933 posted on 03/13/2003 8:51:09 PM PST by FBD
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To: Mudboy Slim
"Well, about them there fireplace inserts...what do you think about propane-fired, direct-vent units?"

They are fine, nice ambience. Right now, however, propane is running $2.50 a dollar, and until prices come back down (to $1.65 per gal, or so)it's more expensive than electric heat.
Electricity here, costs $0.07 cents per kWh.


Here's a BTU breakdown for each fuel.

1 kWh............................ 3,413 BTU's
1 gallon LP ...................92,500 BTU's
1 Therm. of Nat. Gas .........100,000 BTU'S
1 gallon #2 Fuel oil..........140,000 BTU'S


"I'd prefer to refrain from running gas lines if I can help it, but I wanna allow for some decent local heat gain when these units are in use...if I can disguise the tank aesthetically, do the units make economic sense?

Yer a math whiz, and with the above fuel chart, it should be easy fer ya' to pencil out the cost comparison. Natural gas is almost always the cheapest way to go.
Nat. gas water heaters are .50 cents on the dollar, over electric.

You can't desguise propane tanks by painting a dark color, as they will absorb heat, and expand, and that ain't a good thing. Propane tanks need to be out in the open, for air flow. You can put lattice work around them, or something.

"And are they idiot/tenant proof?"

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA.....HOW LONG YOU BEEN A LANDLORD???
Generally speaking, yes. Depends on how big of idiot yer talkin' about. I still don't understand yer objection to Nat Gas, which is stable price wise, volatility wise, etc. (Propane is heavier than air, natural gas has a .60 specific gravity.)

Plus with nat. gas, you won't have tenants callin' you in the middle of the night, sayin, "My pilot light went out, because I was too stoopid to refuel on time, and I ran out."


BTW, what am I gittin' fer all this info. LOL! ;^D

FRegards

1,044 posted on 03/14/2003 3:31:38 PM PST by FBD
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