Band Lawyer Says Nightclub Wanted Pyrotechnics

new york times ^ | 2/28/03 | PAUL von ZIELBAUER

[katnip]

For the people who were there who were not Christians, it's even sadder. Their fire has just begun.

This is an extremely offensive statement as is the link you offered up front.

So the Jews that died in that nightclub are in hell!?!

[grania]

...and some people owe the band an apology, imo.

Maybe in the future bands will be a little more careful about where they play. This band had enough of a following to be playing in a bigger, safer, venue.

It seems to me the fire marshall should really bear a lot of the responsibility. From the description of the insulation, it doesn't sound like it would even hold up to bright, hot lights...or an electric malfunction.

[Jael]

Personally, I don't drink booze or participate in that kind of lifestyle. My time is better spent elsewhere, and I don't think those are the activities my Lord would want me to be engaged in.

Of course, when I got saved, my life changed drastically, and my taste changed. I don't desire to do those things any longer.

[onehipdad]

In NO way am I defending or absolving the owners from responsibility, I'm only trying to illustrate that this group has a documented history of irresponsible conduct - unless all these clubowners are conspiring against them.

It's like "Yeah, we're reckless and dangerous - but they let us!"

[SarahW]

The band is owned no apology. They are not relieved of their own obligations to use theatrical pyrotechnics in a safe manner. No matter how culpable the club owners turn out to be, they are culpable as well. I tend to think they did NOT ask for permission, but even if they did, there is no excuse for them for not have proper overhead clearance for the pyro pots (which burn at 2000 degree farenheit, BTW), ready access to extinguishers or with assurance that any required permits had been aquired by the club.
Their use *was* reckless and they are going to be charged with negligent homicide.

[The_Media_never_lie]

doubledrat! that should read: "it doesn't look good criminally for the club owners.

There is plenty of blame to go around. Where were the guys with fire extinguishers, just in case. A couple of good, industrial grade CO2 extinguishers in the right hands could have put out the fire in nothing flat, at the point when it was just starting.

It's just unbelieveable that there were no adults present!

[Jael]

someone who is deceptive, dishonest, and manipulative

You mean, like people who use Free Republic's email system to slander people?

I hope you do, I really hope you do know how to discern those kinds of people and not be used by them. I would hate to think you had a shared value system with that kind of person.

[Jael]

Why do you think they would do it without permission?

[Jael]

I don't think it's funny at all for you to personally attack me for my Christian beliefs. That really stinks.

Why would you do such a thing?

[Jael]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/853099/posts?page=18#18

To liberals every Christian is a terrorist.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

I would hate to think you had a shared value system with that kind of person.

Oh, don't worry. I don't.

[katnip]

It is offensive, and beyond your capabilities to say who in that club went to hell.

To say that the Jews did is beyond appalling.

[Kaslin]

Everyone deserves to die because they have sinned. The Bible says that. Those people are not any different than any other sinner.

Where in the bible does it say that everyone deserves to die? Also, when a baby is born it comes to the word with a sin, but this sin is taken away as soon as the baby is baptized. So it is free from sin, and since a baby that has been baptized can not sin, does the baby deserve to die when it does?

[Jael]

Something for you to think about. You should not use the Jewish people as fodder to attack someone else personally. They are God's chosen people.

[katnip]

Why would you say that the Jews that died in that fire are in hell?

Why would you give that link to that site that implies that
everyone in that club deserved to die?

[holden]

"When permission was denied, pyrotechnics were not used.''

"he pretty much walked away from me.''

These are weasel-words.

In the first lawyer's disclaimer, he obfuscates, using "When" in a place which should have held "Every time", or at least "Whenever". The statement here could be used "truthfully" if the band didn't use pyrotechnics the one time they were specifically asked not to, even if they went ahead twenty other times without having gotten proper authorization.

In the second, did "pretty much walked away" leave a tacit the impression between the parties that the band would go ahead with the pyrotechnics without protest from the Club? From what's been stated, the reader can't know, but the speaker sure could be leaving behind a misleading impression with his testimony. There could be quite an iceberg under the tip about which we're being "informed."

Obviously, both parties were aware of the pyrotechnics, yet no one had a state-required license. Are we admitting ignorance of the law as some kind of excuse here? Since when?

Promoters, advocates, lawyers! Grrrr.

HF

[Japedo]

I find your comments extremely disturbing. The Link you also posted is along the same lines (what you're doing is evil you deserved it) type of excuses and warped reasoning the Terrorist used for the 9/11 mass murder of American Citizens. Think about that!

[Jael]

Please refrain from lying and saying things about me that I did not say. I do not appreciate my Christian beliefs being attack by you. I do not appreciate being slandered by you either. Thanks so much in advance for refraining from perosnal attacks and lies.

[stainlessbanner]

I resent the Governor of R.I. asking for federal help

Where did you see that? I agree with you if this is the case....

[Jael]

The Bible says that all have sinned. It also says that sin bringeth forth death.

The good news is that God has provided a way of escape.