Digital piracy of movies is 'wrong,' college students chided [by -- ugh -- Jack Valenti]

Cox News Service ^ | 02/26/2003 | Nora Achrati

[BrooklynGOP]

Well, I am not going to have my money supporting these anti-american celebrities. Just got my Pioneer dvd burner 2 weeks ago... and 20 blanks...

[DrDavid]

I wonder, if taxes were lower, perhaps people would have more money to spend on legal copies of movies...

[BlkConserv]

Valenti is addressing a problem that, for the most part, hardly exists.

You buy any motion-picture now on DVD for under $20. Besides, there is video on-demand, the premium channels on cable and satellite, the video rental stores....who is going to waste time trying to download a movie and wait about 10 hours? Even so, the quality wouldn't be as near as good if you just went to Walmart and bought it.

If anyone should be shaking in their boots, it should be the myopic RIAA and the stupid record companies.

[nononsense]

The only time entertainment industry cares about morality is when it hurts their pocketbook.

[TADSLOS]

Much to do about nothing. Valenti is just being Valenti, the Hollyweird's mouthpiece.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

When will pompous dinosaurs such as Valenti and the record suits are going to pull their heads out of the fricking sand and realize that the digital asteroid is coming to blow them to smithereens?

[mikeb704]

I trace the deterioration of the quality of films to the late 60s when Jack Valenti moved from being a toady for Lyndon Johnson to head up the Motion Picture Association of America. The first thing he did, he boasts, “was to junk the Hays Production Code, which was an anachronistic piece of censorship that we never should have put into place."

Much of what Hollywood now turns out is coarse, demeaning and depressing.

IMHO.

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[JoshGray]

The problem is when you doanload it for free, realize how badly it sucks (MIBII, Star Wars II, Goldfinger, ST:Nemesis, etc), and save yourself the money.

[ServesURight]

Valenti is just blowing fart through his mouth. If Hellwood can solve the dilemma about people copying movies in their VCRs, then they should be prepared for the digital age.

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[Sloth]

Valenti is a vile excuse for a human being.

[Hodar]

You beat me to it. A DVD movie for $~18 isn't worth the time, energy and material it takes to 'steal' it. The movie snips I have seen are of poor quality, no bonus features, and without the ability to index to specific scenes. Why bother.

On the other hand, the RIAA is complaining that CD sales are down, and are blaming file-swapping. I think they missed the boat on 2 counts.

First, I listen to a song or two before I buy a CD. I always get a preview. No exceptions. File sharing is what caused me to replace my tons of cassettes to the 200+ CD's I currently own.

Secondly, if the average person has a fixed amount of disposable income to buy 'stuff' with, he has a choice. Buy a DVD movie, or a CD. Considering that DVD sales are up 300%, it only makes sense that CD sales would be down.

[wizzler]

Once again, the attitude here regarding this issue is dismaying.

The justifications used to rationalize stealing (i.e., I am not going to have my money supporting these anti-american celebrities) are sadder still.

Don't like the politics of certain celebrities? Then, sure -- don't spend your money on their products. But to take the leap to stealing those products is something else altogether.

[John Robertson]

Up to post 11, EVERYBODY here is wrong. It's stealing. Someone spent money and made it. Valenti is a major mouthpiece, of course. And the quality of most of this stuff is mediocre, and its morality nonexistent.

But does that justify stealing it? No way, no how.

Try telling a cop you shouldn't be pinched because you just took a Chevy Malibu, a car that isn't all that great.

Wake up, people.

[Sloth]

If the owner still has the Chevy Malibu, it ain't stealing.

Is piracy inherently wrong? Perhaps. Is it illegal? Definitely. But that doesn't make it stealing. The crime is copyright infringement, NOT theft. Theft necessarily takes something of value without permission. Piracy doesn't involve "taking" anything, because any supposed lost profits are imaginary, not real.

[wizzler]

Copyright is apparently a difficult topic for most average joes to get their heads around. Because watch -- we're probably about to get hit with a bunch of irrelevant responses. Among the possibilities:

- CDs are "overpriced."
- The record industry "rips off artists."
- If I download something, the original still exists and nobody has been hurt.
- Kazaa is no different than the public library or Blockbuster.
- The entertainment business "should have embraced Napster."
- Etc., etc.

Wouldn't be surprised if someone has already launched one of these illogical gems by the time I finish writing this and hit the POST button.

[HamiltonJay]

Not to defend digital theft... but I have a hard time when a group that has been guilty of gouging for years, stands up and calls others theives.

I don't 14 crappy songs for $17.99 for the 1 song I want... I'll pay you the $1 for the one song I want... CD production cost is well under $1 per disk to copy... yet the price of a CD hasn't changed one iota since they were introduced.... DVD's have come down, and I damn well know it costs more to produce a movie than a record..... but I can go buy a brand new release DVD for $15 or less...

Your sales are off, because your product sucks and your prices are too high... that's the facts. Sure pirating hurts, but its not your major problem... poor product quality and too high a price point is your problem.

[wizzler]

Well, there we go.

Anyway... Sloth, you're right: Words like "theft" and "stealing" in this situation are not legally accurate. But for the purposes of conversation, they are semantically sound.

[John Robertson]

right you are, and right on. look at 15, then 17. One guy is trying to argue that one class of federal felony is superior to the other. the other guy is arguing this: hey, grocery store owner, i'm taking this three-pounder of ground meat right because some time ago i feel i was overcharged for another pack o' meat that turned out not to be as tasty as i hoped (oh, and i, uh, bought it in another store). These guys are hopeless. But let someone take from their labors, and we'll need howl-squelchers.

[John Robertson]

right you are, and right on. look at 15, then 17. One guy is trying to argue that one class of federal felony is superior to the other. the other guy is arguing this: hey, grocery store owner, i'm taking this three-pounder of ground meat right now because some time ago i feel i was overcharged for another pack o' meat that turned out not to be as tasty as i hoped (oh, and i, uh, bought it in another store). These guys are hopeless. But let someone take from their labors, and we'll need howl-squelchers.