Can Star Trek Be Saved? (lighter topic alert)

TV Guide ^ | 2/03 | Nollinger

[discostu]

I thought Kirk vs Spock was the ep where he was "in season" and a little irrational.

As for Archer cold cocking a Vulcan: glass jaws. Some humans have them some don't, apparently some Vulcans have them too. Or we can say that Kirk didn't put a full load into his punches because he and Spock were friends. Or maybe Archer is just a better pugilist.

In the FASA game (always a good source since it was cannon and with a gaming audience they actually had to explain things) they said that Klingons actually had smaller muscle masses than humans but because of their highly combative society used it better and hence got a 5% bonus to their strength stat. Thus showing there are a lot of possible explanaition for things, try not to over think it.

[Frank_Discussion]

What Spock did would be termed pummelling, and we just haven't seen that yet on 'Enterprise'. As far as one-punch knockouts, some big fellas been taken down by the right shot in the right place, especially when surprised.

Also, in Amok Time, Mr. Spock was a bit pumped up, feeling no pain, as it were.

As irritating as Archer's been to the High Command, I'm betting he gets smacked by a Vulcan someday.

[discostu]

FIRST being the operative term. First you learn to be a grunt, then you learn to fly, then you've cost the Corp too much for them to make you a grunt anymore. These guys had been taught to fly, no more grunt duty.

SAAB was about a bunch of whiney uninteresting people that were miraculously winning every engagement while the planet they were fighting for was losing the war. Bad TV.

[Bogey78O]

"Commander Thor..."

"That's SUPReME Commander Thor."

[demosthenes the elder]

well, they have just started B5 releasing collector edition DVDs of the series, in letterbox, for a reasonable price.
So I can retire my well-worn VHS commercial-ridden TVscreen-format tapes...
The joy, the JOY!

[Bogey78O]

This goes back to comic book arguments.

By that I mean you can make a comic book where the Hulk can pick up a mountain and then have another where Superman has trouble picking up a mountain and draw the conclusion that Superman is weaker.

They scripted a few episodes where the captain has to make tough decisions. Big whoop. The character was weakly scripted.

[BureaucratusMaximus]

This is a quasi-military ship representing a government, not the Love Boat in space.

Statist! (just kidding) :)

[mg39]

"As irritating as Archer's been to the High Command, I'm betting he gets smacked by a Vulcan someday."

Actually, he already got walloped by a Vulcan. Remember the ep where that group of Vulcans who indulged in emotions ended up on the ship, and that one Vulcan basically mind-raped T'Pol. At the end he and Archer got into it, and he basically swatted Archer around like a cat swats around a mouse.

So maybe that Vulcan at the temple had a glass jaw. Okay. Still, I miss the Spock version; I mean, would kids today look up to Enterprise's Vulcans they way kids of my generation (me, anyway) looked up to Spock?

[Bogey78O]

Get on Kazaa. They have the season finale on there already I believe.

[demosthenes the elder]

prob'ly

[sonofatpatcher2]

Re: By that I mean you can make a comic book where the Hulk can pick up a mountain and then have another where Superman has trouble picking up a mountain and draw the conclusion that Superman is weaker.

They scripted a few episodes where the captain has to make tough decisions. Big whoop. The character was weakly scripted.

First, I do not agree with your comic book argument other than to say it sound like something out of a comic book.

Secondly, I asked if you viewed all the episodes? Not a few, but all? If so, name me a few that showed Janeway to be weakly scripted? Name me one?

[lonewacko_dot_com]

1. Get rid of Scott Blackula.
2. More space lesbians with big tatas (Is it too late to save Jeri Ryan from the clutches of David E. Kelley?)
3. Bring back the Farengi.
4. Bring back Roxann Biggs-Dawson.
5. Get off the friggin' ship. Even if every planet you visit looks like Vasquez Rocks (L.A. park where many outdoor shots were shot for the original series), get out and mingle with those space foreigners.

[sonofatpatcher2]

Re: By that I mean you can make a comic book where the Hulk can pick up a mountain and then have another where Superman has trouble picking up a mountain and draw the conclusion that Superman is weaker.

They scripted a few episodes where the captain has to make tough decisions. Big whoop. The character was weakly scripted.

First, I do not agree with your comic book argument other than to say it sound like something out of a comic book.

Secondly, I asked if you viewed all the episodes? Not a few, but all? If so, name me a few that showed Janeway to be weakly scripted? Name me one?

[Frank_Discussion]

No Way. I'm a TV-Broadcast-Only Luddite, and am at least a season behind, maybe two. I don't wanna know...

[AFreeBird]

Hehehe yea, Thor's rejoinder driving home the point that he wasn't some lower worker bee was classic.

[AFreeBird]

DOH! AAAARRGGGHH!! I havn't seen that SG-1 ep yet!!! My eyes, my EYES!

Sorry dude. Don't worry, you'll still enjoy it. I kinda figured something like that would happen. Even watched the repeat at the later hour because I missed the first 10 minutes and still enjoyed it the second time. Great episode. Although I did miss the episode before that one and I wonder if it set the stage for this "Disclosure" episode.

[Burr5]

1). How To Rescue the T.V. Show: HYPE the damn thing a little! I haven't seen a T.V. ad for Enterprise in over a year, and I'm both a frequent viewer of the station it airs on locally, and a long-time Trek fan. But I honestly don't even know for sure what day or time it airs. If you don't get in the habit of making time for a show, you're probably watching something predictable (FoxNews in my case).

2). How To Rescue the Movie Series: Stop killing off your most beloved characters when you're not even sure you'll make enough profit to make a sequel and resurrect them. (Two notes on this: Nemesis' $40 million gross is U.S. ONLY-2/3 or so of a movie's gross typically comes from overseas, so add that and video sales/rentals in and they broke even at the least. And as for Data, if some Xerox copy of his "soul" winds up in B4 I'll A). be glad he's still around, and B). puke my guts out because it's an unbelievable premise, and also because they already pulled that trick with Spock). Here's two ways to get the Movie Series back on its feet: 1). STOP RELEASING THEM THE SAME WEEK AS CULTURAL PHENOMENA WHICH YOUR FAN BASE WOULD PREFER TO SEE! I knew Nemesis was doomed when I heard they were dumb enough to release it four days before "The Two Towers" (best movie ever, that LOTR!) 2). Roll the dice and marry the DS9 cast and TNG cast in an all-out action flick- possibly centering on Worf, the Klingons, and a new and mind-bogglingly terrifying threat from the Gamma Quadrant.
Spend some money on it. You have to cast your bread upon the water for it to come back dough!

[The Grammarian]

Robert April, a man's man, was the first captain of the Enterprise, not this slack-jawed twit with his mangy, flea-bitten beagle and range of emotions that run the gamut from A to B.

Glad to see that I'm not the only one that got annoyed when the "first Enterprise's" captain turned out to NOT be Robert April.

[Connservative]

Good points. By the way, I always thought it would have been cool, if you need truly evil, recurring, geniunely BADASS villains for the Federation they should have brought back the (literally) cold blooded Gorn.

It didn't stop B&B from bringing in the Ferengi...

[Bogey78O]

I've watched about 75% of the Voyager episodes. Sorry if you don't see it. But every episode would be like watching Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Presley kissing. Her character came off as fake and nonsensical.

It wasn't just her though. Everyone on the ship came off that way. The only one I really thought felt real was Paris and Tuvok.