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Yeah, I saw this. Just another "debate" that is really a shouting match where whoever behaves the most ill-mannered and yells loudest "wins", while the so-called "moderator" sits there and does nothing to ensure that the discussion stays on some kind of track and the two participants respond to each other instead of changing the subject each time they hear something they don't want to respond to. I give the kudos to Jeanne Garofalo not by force of argument, but purely on the basis that she's better mannered.

And the line about "Why should we listen to you, you're just a celebrity" - while I fully agree with the spirit of the statement, the reality is that it's a great way to change the focus from the substance of an argument to the person making it, thus neatly avoiding having to actually debate the issue. "Why do you think you're here?" - inviting someone to debate an issue, and then attacking the basis on which they were invited instead of discussing the issue that they were invited there to debate is also a great sidetrack to change the focus from the issue, and quite rude besides. If you don't want to feed the celebrity machine, then don't invite them.

I couldn't disagree with you more about the manners. I find it to be quite rude when someone just filibusters, particularly with lies, expecting that just by continuing to talk and never give the other person an opening they can go unchallenged. Where you see Janeane being polite, I saw her attempting to be quite rude.

On the other side, I saw Brian make his point and/or ask a question, and then shut up to give her a chance to respond. When she would, he would challenge her response. He was polite without being a doormat.

I give the kudos to Jeanne Garofalo not by force of argument, but purely on the basis that she's better mannered.

I disagree. Jeanine basically said that Fox was a pub mouthpiece and their views were tainted. Why not come back with "you're a celeb., why should we listen to you without challenging you?" No way was she well mannered and seemed surprised she was challenged.