[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

I have not read anything on the 9 millimeter being an extremely effective handgun cartridge.

What I do know is our troops would much rather carry .45 ACP handguns rather than the M-9. Many police departments have taken the .40 S&W over the 9 x 19.

You will never convince me that a 9 x 19 handgun is more effective in stopping power than a .40 S&W or a .45 ACP handgun.

Granted there are a few advantages to the 9 x 19 cartridge. You can generally get a smaller more concealable handgun for carry and ammo is quite common. Carry what you want though. In the end it's your preference.

[Nov3]

Most of the people I know who talk a bunch of big bore trash can't hit anything with a handgun anyway. It won't make up for not shooting well. (I know you have been through Gunsite so that doesn't apply to you!) Again if a modern +P 9mm hollowpoint in the chest won't stop someone a 45 wouldn't either.

We can agree on one thing nobody wants to carry a full size Baretta M-9, it is a clunky POS. If my choice was a 1911 or that I would be carrying a 1911 especially since I would be using ball ammo. As far as that is concerned I would lose the pistol and carry a few more 30 round mags if I was in the military.

[Jim Noble]

What I do know is our troops would much rather carry .45 ACP handguns rather than the M-9. Many police departments have taken the .40 S&W over the 9 x 19.

Soldiers, marines, and policemen are not representative of the general population.