American Islamic Congress

American Islamic Congress ^ | February 22, 2003

[Thorondir]

I agree that there are nuts cases out there that want to kill us .. but I don't like the goverment telling me what religion I can practice

Have you ever heard of the Thugee Cult? If they somehow made a resurgence here, would you want them banned, or at least watched? I think hypertolerance can get us killed. Now, I don't believe there is an exact corrolary between iSLAM and Thugeeism, but there is a similarity, at least in their propensity to murder other religious people when they can get away with it:

The Indian goddess KALI and her Thugee Cult:
Kali is a grisly creature with a skeletal body which is strewn with serpents and skulls. She wears corpses as earrings and a girdle of severed hands.

She once fought a demon named Raktavija but, every time he was wounded, a drop of his blood would fall to the ground and a thousand giants would spring from the drop. The only way Kali could prevent this was to drink each drop before it landed until she had drained the demon's veins.

Despite her appearance, many men who claimed to have seen her in visions describe her as being placid and delightful, motherly and fine. (A religion of peace?)

Kali inspired the cult of Thagna (or Thugee). The Cultists (Thugs) made it their sacred duty to waylay innocent travelers and strangle them to death with knotted cloths.

The word 'thagna' means to deceive and the Thugs lived in the community as respected and orderly citizens. They were well liked, prominent men who led double lives. (The Koran gives Muslims the right to lie if it is to decieve infidels.)

What started as a serious religious attitude later became a method of personal gain for the unscrupulous. The cult was especially active during early Victorian days in India although the British tried their best to suppress the murderous side of it.

Kali stands for energy, both creative and destructive. Her cult is linked to Tantric practices (which aim to enable men to rise above their sexual nature by gaining full control over themselves). In her positive aspect Kali is named Durga, Kumari or Parvati. The city of Calcutta was named after her.

Things that make you go, "Hmmmmm..."

Human civilization had better wake up soon and get as serious about its survival as the seventh-century savages of Islam are about our annihilation!
SLEEPING AMERICANS ARE EASIER TO KILL.
Do not be lulled to sleep by the Religion of Peace defenders.

Click here and never forget the face of Islam and what it wants for you infidels.

[Cultural Jihad]

Uh, care to explain that? Not sure I follow . . . ?

There are a few ignorant slobs around who jack themselves up by smearing all Muslims. To have a Muslim woman waving an American flag, and praising America, and calling for the liberation of Iraq, is unsettling to them, and forces them to again look into the mirror at the hateful slobs looking back.

Conservatives are big on justice. There is nothing more unjust than to subscribe to prejudice. We all have an interest in confronting prejudice. Hence President Bush should be commended for his excellent leadership in this facet, too, and women such as Zainab should be, as well.

[Thorondir]

Are you saying there are hundreds of Muslims in the FBI? Wow!

[nunya bidness]

Faiths have been hijacked throughout history and the faithful have borne the brunt of the responsability.

This time is no different, except that in this case the faithful have been less than forthcoming in their defense.

More muslims need to address the issue. Not just here but in the countries where standing up to radicals will cost them their lives.

When that happens Islam will find its center.

[BenR2]

There are a few ignorant slobs around who jack themselves up by smearing all Muslims. To have a Muslim woman waving an American flag, and praising America, and calling for the liberation of Iraq, is unsettling to them, and forces them to again look into the mirror at the hateful slobs looking back.

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I really think your thinking is about 180 degrees off course at this juncture. When I wrote my post, I was SPECIFICALLY referring to my fear that she had better check six lest she be offed by Muslims who cannot tolerate women speaking the truth -- just as the world's only female Muslim comedian has been attacked physically only once while performing -- and that was by Muslims.

That woman has NOTHING to fear from Bubba and Billy-Bob -- and EVERYTHING to fear from Abdullah and Muhammad.

[TLBSHOW]

I am looking for them and I missed you on this thread

MEMO TO MR. BIN LADEN: GO TO HELL!

This is an American Muslim’s response to the Tape recorded message dated February 11th, 2003 by fugitive-terrorist Osama Bin Laden.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/846459/posts

[Thorondir]

I hope you are not including me in that blanket smear. You know I criticize the problems inherent in Islam, not ALL Muslims themselves. I hope you see the difference.

BTW: Islam is a religion, not a race, so racism is not a word that applies to this case.

I think the religion stinks, as evidenced by its defining documents and its unparralleled bloody track record in human history. There is nothing like it. There is NO moral equivalence.

Thank you for your consideration.

[justshe]

There are a few ignorant slobs around who jack themselves up by smearing all Muslims. To have a Muslim woman waving an American flag, and praising America, and calling for the liberation of Iraq, is unsettling to them, and forces them to again look into the mirror at the hateful slobs looking back.

[justshe]

More muslims need to address the issue.

Agreed. But that does not excuse the behavior I've seen recently on many threads.

[Cultural Jihad]

Kali is a grisly creature with a skeletal body which is strewn with serpents and skulls. She wears corpses as earrings and a girdle of severed hands.

Only those who have not seen God endlessly argue about religion. Perhaps you have noticed that it is the empty cart which makes the most noise.

Kali is not a creature. Far from it. Kali is the creative aspect of God, the Power of God. Milk and its whiteness, the gem and its lustre, fire and its power to burn. You can't think of one without thinking of the other. God and His power. They are one and the same. Kali is the embodiment of the power of God. Millions upon millons of people today worship God in the creating/preserving/destroying aspect of His power, but they do not commit murder. To condemn the worship of Mother Kali because of thuggees in previous centuries is to also condemn Christianity for the crusades or for the Klan.

[Thorondir]

My favorite quote from the sweet Koran: "Your woman is your dirt. Cultivate her." But I don't see how cutting a little girl's clitoris off helps in the cultivation of this "dirt" when she gets married. And what do female suicide bombers get when they get to heaven--72 studs? Just wondering.

Your fear for the life of this woman is well-founded. Every muslim woman that lives in a Christian nation like America is made safe only by that Christian nation. If this woman lived in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt, Jordan, Syria or the rest of that seventh-century cesspool of Islam, she would be quickly murdered for opening her mouth in this way. May God bless her for her courage, and keep her safe from the sweetness of Islamic law.

[BenR2]

Your fear for the life of this woman is well-founded. Every muslim woman that lives in a Christian nation like America is made safe only by that Christian nation. If this woman lived in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt, Jordan, Syria or the rest of that seventh-century cesspool of Islam, she would be quickly murdered for opening her mouth in this way. May God bless her for her courage, and keep her safe from the sweetness of Islamic law.

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Bump. (But don't tell CJ!)

[BenR2]

Kali is not a creature. Far from it. Kali is the creative aspect of God, the Power of God. Milk and its whiteness, the gem and its lustre, fire and its power to burn. You can't think of one without thinking of the other. God and His power. They are one and the same. Kali is the embodiment of the power of God. Millions upon millons of people today worship God in the creating/preserving/destroying aspect of His power, but they do not commit murder. To condemn the worship of Mother Kali because of thuggees in previous centuries is to also condemn Christianity for the crusades or for the Klan.

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Hey, CJ, mind if I ask? You been smoking funny cigarettes, lately? (Kali-worship is the basest of idolatry, friend.)

[Thorondir]

To condemn the worship of Mother Kali because of thuggees in previous centuries is to also condemn Christianity for the crusades or for the Klan.

Moral equvilance and moral relativism may be fun, but your statement is a wild, wild stretch, even in that loopy field.

BTW: The crusades were a defensive reaction to Islam's bloody conquest of Europe.

Anyway, I have no problem living alongside any other religion, as long as its defining documents do not call for my opression and/or slaughter if I will not convert. I'm not calling for any maltreatment of Muslims, just for taking an honest look at their religion and not whitwashing it as a religion of peace. Sticking one's head in the sand does make the danger go away.

None survive when freedom fails,
Good men rot in filthy jails
While those who cried, "Appease! Appease!"
Are hanged by those they tried to please.

[Cultural Jihad]

What nonsense. Most Muslims in America know, appreciate, and cherish the freedoms which many native-born Americans are now sneering at. They know that there is an underlying veneer of racial discrimination here, but easily recognize that it is a heaven to be in America compared to where they came from, where old, deep-seated hatreds based upon tribal justice as proselytized by TLBSHOW and Thorondir rule the day, and keep the people in poverty and despair.

[TLBSHOW]

Killing 3000 people at the world trade center is the worst thing or 200 dead at a beauty show or cutting Daniel Pearls neck. That is far worst than anything you have ever seen on these threads!

[BenR2]

where old, deep-seated hatreds based upon tribal justice as proselytized by TLBSHOW and Thorondir rule the day, and keep the people in poverty and despair.


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You are now past the weird -- and well into evil territory, now, pardner (in my book, at least). In fact, you are sounding an awful lot like Hillary Clinton now.

[nightdriver]

"It has to stop. It is based on an irrational fear that is grounded in ignorance, imo."

Check back in when you can show us evidence of a prayer or sermon from any mosque in America where they ask for "Allah" to bless America.

[Thorondir]

I know, my friend. That was absolutely the dumbest thing I have ever seen him post. He and I are usually in agreement, but not on this issue. I don't know why he is such an iSLAM defender. His thinking is usually measured and well-founded.

Oh well.

[TLBSHOW]

I'm searching for peaceful Muslims, but the security of this nation cames first. Not to mention that Allah is a fake and we need to convert them to be christians that is really our duty. Other than that they are lost souls!