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An Immediate Lesson from the Horror and Tragedy in Rhode Island
JeffHead.com ^ | February 21, 2003 | Jeff Head

Posted on 02/21/2003 8:36:12 PM PST by Jeff Head

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To: Jeff Head
The Suadis and Islamic pilgrims to Mecca know this very well, a fire in a pedestrian tunnel killed hundreds a few years back, crushed to death or burned in a wild panic stampede.

They know very well how panic can be manufactured to leverage mass death from ordinary circumstances.

41 posted on 02/21/2003 9:14:52 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: _Jim
Keep BUMP'ing. Thanks in advance.

Take up your doubts with the folks over at whatever web-site it originated from. They apparently know the guy.

My point is, and remains the analogy.

42 posted on 02/21/2003 9:15:02 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: _Jim
The account seems consistent with the witness that was on O'Reilly tonight, the young man with dark hair, who said he couldn't see in the smoke but thought he was going in the direction of the door, and found himself scratching along the wall, hoping it was the wall that led to the door. All of a sudden he reached the doorway and fell outside, with people pushing behind him.
43 posted on 02/21/2003 9:15:20 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Travis McGee
Hey, Travis. Were you the one who came up with the Mahdi theory of Osama Bin Laden a while back?

Is there any movement on it? BTW, I'm truly interested in it.
44 posted on 02/21/2003 9:16:35 PM PST by xzins (It is for FREEDOM that Christ has set you FREE)
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To: MileHi
who have lead such comfortable and safe lives that they take it for granted. Damn, that is a horrible metaphore.

Horrific agreement here. In these times, the price for inaction, ignorance and an unwillingness to be vigilant may be very,very terribly high.

45 posted on 02/21/2003 9:16:53 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head; joanie-f
Jeff,

The generation coming on has been raised to be non-observing; "experts," they are told, are there for them, wherever they may desire to trip along.

And trip, they do.

At the company where I work, I bought the fire extinguiser months ago. I bought the flashlights in case the power goes out. I bought the analog telephone so that when the digital units are dead, somebody can still call out. All, at my own expense.

Last July, at a gasoline fuel depot nearby, I stopped to investigate when the siren was blowing --- nobody was there; gates wide open; no guards; no track of how many thousands of gallons the terrorists had driven away with; no mention of it in the news; and nobody there or downtown or in the F.B.I. would care to know this, because the event caught them all completely ignorant of what is going on out there.

I watch the airport fence perimeter, and sure enough, there is no patrol at all. Somalis drive the taxi cabs right up to the doors of the terminal, no security checks at all, while passengers must park many hundred yards away.

Delta Airlines B-757's sit only a hundred feet from fences which are not watched; the jets' hatches are open; anybody could plant a bomb therein; but nobody is watching ... except the Somali taxi cab drivers.

I carry a many first aid supplies in the car; fire gloves; fire extinguisher, etc., because unlike Nancy Pelosi who thinks that President Bush has not offered up enough money for "the first responders," I am painfully aware of the entire lack of 2nd and 3rd responders throughout the country --- such as the fire last evening.

When the 1st team goes in for, you may say, a busy day, who will be minding the 'burbs? Nobody but volunteers who suddenly realize, that while something big blew up downtown, and the "1st responders" have all rushed there ... well, guess what, out on the beltway around the town, that is where an even bigger disaster awaits, and there are absolutely no firemen, no fire trucks, no water, few ambulances, and ten thousand people in need of the now lost "1st responders."

Nobody is watching the schoolyards to make sure that some Muslims do not plant a few landmines brought in from Kosovo. Nobody is watching the outside of the buildings which are on the threat list.

There's just a whole lot of inside discussion that is near incredible in its centricity.

You could drive up to that gasoline depot and leave with 10,000 gallons of fuel, and nobody would stop you; there is nobody there, even tonight.

Sleep tight.

46 posted on 02/21/2003 9:17:27 PM PST by First_Salute
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To: Travis McGee
You're right abot he horror and tragedy of the situation. Panic is a terrible thing.

A point all should take notice of is that there were 4 exits with very few knowing of or taking advantage of same. Terribly sad.

47 posted on 02/21/2003 9:19:02 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: _Jim
I agree with your 37 ... but they also died because they did not recognize the situation quickly enough to extract themselves.

If I was inclinded to visit such places at all, I would have been out of there as soon as the fireworks started going off in such a crowded and confied space ... but since I am not so inclined, I would not have been there in the first place.

We need some global "fire-retardant" material right now in many of our policies and a lot of vigilism right here at home IMHO. I pray we as a people will rise to the occassion and do so.

48 posted on 02/21/2003 9:21:04 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Travis McGee
Well said.
49 posted on 02/21/2003 9:21:28 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: visualops
I had to get it down and posted.
50 posted on 02/21/2003 9:22:21 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: _Jim
Wow, you are a smart summbich, aintcha?
51 posted on 02/21/2003 9:24:25 PM PST by MileHi
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To: xzins; Sabertooth; harpseal
Hey, Travis. Were you the one who came up with the Mahdi theory of Osama Bin Laden a while back? Is there any movement on it? BTW, I'm truly interested in it.

We were kicking it around; Sabertooth ran a bunch of threads on it as I recall.

52 posted on 02/21/2003 9:24:36 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
Roger on humans burning. It is probaly one of the most horrific ways to die and this was a true tragedy.
53 posted on 02/21/2003 9:26:08 PM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: _Jim; Tall_Texan
I would tend to agree. There is nothing in this guys personal account that is not in the film we have all been watching over and over. Usually you would expect an eye witness account would include at least two or three items that those of us who only had access to the film were not aware of.
54 posted on 02/21/2003 9:28:12 PM PST by Balata
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To: jwalsh07; Jeff Head
We can go a long way to safeguarding our kids by always explaining the panic stampede phenomenon when we are in crowded public venues.

Explain that 95% of people will head for the main entrance, and die in the crush.

Always point out to them the side and back exits, so they will get in the habit of looking for them.

Point out windows, and what can be used to break them open (chairs, lamps, tables).

This is important stuff to impart to our kids.

55 posted on 02/21/2003 9:28:51 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: First_Salute
You are right, even after 9-11, our society is amazingly unprepared to face the types of enemies we face.

I posteed an article on a way to prepare and one that could be extrapolated to include the 2nd and 3rd responder role.

Here it is on my site:

Arm the People NOW

It also had two great and lengthy discussion threads here on FR.

I produce a working version of it in my series of novels when our nation is faced with a fictional scenario similar to all of the things you spoke of in your post.

The Dragon's Fury Series

56 posted on 02/21/2003 9:30:00 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Travis McGee; xzins; Sabertooth; harpseal
Sabertooth did run a whole number of threads on the issue using the search engine should bring them up
57 posted on 02/21/2003 9:30:47 PM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Jeff Head
Apparently it is not uncommon for people who are trying to exit a building due to a fire to get stuck, trampled and die in a doorway. 21 people lost their lives in Chicago in exactly the same way the 20+ people in R.I. did who got stuck in the door. So yes I agree lessons need to be learned.

CHICAGO -- Authorities said 21 people were killed and dozens of others were seriously injured at a south side night club, when they were crushed while trying to exit through a single door.

58 posted on 02/21/2003 9:31:40 PM PST by Balata
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To: _Jim; All
IMO THIS was written for release at some *future* date!

Did I just see _Jim endorse a conspiracy theory??? I thought you were the resident debunker...

59 posted on 02/21/2003 9:32:57 PM PST by xm177e2 (smile) :-)
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To: Travis McGee
Yes it is ... and it has been long standing here in Emmett, Idaho.

Always important, but articluarly in these times.

60 posted on 02/21/2003 9:34:44 PM PST by Jeff Head
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