Serbian Orthodox suffer since the United Nations took control of Kosovo

Ahh...I didn't know that the jew's [sic!] were enemy combatants, were blowing up churches and police stations, running drugs and prostitutes and killing old women and children. >

No. But that's what the Nazis SAID they were doing. PRECISELY what the Nazis said what they were doing. Lying about them made it easier to exterminate them. Just like in Bosnia.

Go figure. the Serbs had a RIGHT to defend themselves against muslim terrorists the same as we do.>

I have photographs of the "muslim terrorists" in question. Rotting in graves with their hands tied behind their backs with barbed wire, brains blown out at close range. Men, many of which were aged 50, 60, 70, 80 or greater. Boys from the age of 12. Terrorists? Humans.

I have photographs of the morgue where 4000 lie rotting and unidentified. I have stood in their presence.

I have met their children, some of whom live in orphanages in Bosnia.

You are as ignorant as you are bloody minded. God forbid we act like Serbs.

21 posted on 02/21/2003 3:54:26 PM PST by homeagain balkansvet (('You would, of course, have never survived the real Total Perspective Vortex," he said.'))

To: homeagain balkansvet

Oh...and...KOSOVO IS SERBIA! I suppose you want to take Jerusalem from the Jews!>

What an incredible lie. If Kosovo is Serbia then Alsace Lorraine is Germany and California is Mexico.

That whole Kosovo-is-Serbia crap was ginned up by a bunch of Communists trying to keep from losing free elections that would have resulted in (a) someone looking at their books, (b) finding out about their zillion dollar bank accounts in Zurich and (c) sending their butts to prison for theft.

Don't believe in Geneva Convention? Fine. Stick a bone through your nose while you're at it, since barbarism seems to suit you so well.

22 posted on 02/21/2003 3:56:56 PM PST by homeagain balkansvet (('You would, of course, have never survived the real Total Perspective Vortex," he said.'))

To: homeagain balkansvet; MigrantOkie; Gael

Using your own stupid logic. The Serbs did what they did under a Serbian govt. Kosovo's Christian holocaust was done under the eyes of men like you. Did the screams of murdered Christians just down the road ruin your breakfast at Camp Bondsteel?

The Muslims in Bosnia like to show how much they love you: Peril seen for soldiers in Bosnia if Iraq war erupts

When you served in Friggin Bosnia you saw no al-Qaeda? Were you incompetent or an al-Qaeda useful idiot?? Dare I say a collaborator? Bosnia Raid Yields al-Qaida Donor List

How do you live with BIN LADEN GATE on your conscience?

23 posted on 02/21/2003 4:58:47 PM PST by Destro ("The past isn't dead. In fact, it isn't even past." - William Faulkner)

Don't worry, vet. We will remember the perversion done in our name and treat you accordingly. You aided al-Qaeda so you could get the Serbs. On your head hangs complicity in part for 9/11. The Atta cell was organized out of Bosnia. The Ricin terrorists came through Kosovo into Europe with Albanian help.>

Yes and the mind control lasers are controlled by the Jews and the Vatican through the Gnomes of Zurich who, through the Boy Sprouts, caused the Fnord Motor Company to control the Masons. You might want to go to your local game store and pick up a copy of Steve Jackson's "ILLUMINATI".

The Muslims in Bosnia like to show how much they love you: Peril seen for soldiers in Bosnia if Iraq war erupts>

Peril seen by Serbs who want to put a bullet in the head of every Muslim they can reach. I recognize hate propaganda from Serb Nazis when I smell it: it has a particular stench of rotting black mold.

When you served in Friggin Bosnia you saw no al-Qaeda? Were you incompetent or an al-Qaeda useful idiot?? Dare I say a collaborator? Bosnia Raid Yields al-Qaida Donor List>

I had forgotten how retarded people get on FR when they begin to lose arguments.

How do you live with BIN LADEN GATE on your conscience?>

I needn't account my actions to YOU. We kept Al Qaida from taking the damned place over. If we'd let the Serbians win, Bosnia would have TURNED into a fundamentalist spithole, because those Muslims that the Serbs didn't kill were destined for a Muslim Bantustan which WOULD have turned into the kind of fantasy state you imagine.

As it is, we're forcing everyone to cooperate and, instead of a fundamentalist ministate we've got the makings of a real country where everyone, Serb, Muslim and Croat, will eventually make a decent living side by side.

As for your assault on my honor, it bothers me not a whit. God knows what I did and the price I paid for my service to bring a decent living to that place. When I meet you in the next life you will be profuse in your apologies. Or, if we don't meet in the next life, it will be because you are receiving 'infinite justice' of another sort and I don't have to worry about your apologies. In the mean time, be silent in your ignorance, rather than advertise it.

You may go now.

24 posted on 02/21/2003 5:18:34 PM PST by homeagain balkansvet (('You would, of course, have never survived the real Total Perspective Vortex," he said.'))

To: homeagain balkansvet

From your post #14:

"I personally witnessed a building in Bosnia where the Serbian "orthodox Christian" Nazis--and this is PRECISELY what they were--crammed 1200 men from Srebrenica into what was essentially a large barn, where they were machinegunned to death en masse in a scene right out of WW2."

Oh you witnessed.. A BUILDING. All you heard are "stories" by Muslim propagandists. Perhaps that is a building where Muslims killed Serbs - they had been doing it for years - raiding Serb villages, taking them to prisons and secret prisons, torturing them and killing them.

Also from your post #14:

"They appear instead to have been"..."A smaller group, of approximately 70 individuals, appears to have been taken"

This is just speculation based on no hard evidence.

"until one of the survivors of the Kravica massacres, who had managed to hide under a pile of dead bodies for roughly nine hours, later escaped and told members of the media and international organizations what he had witnessed"

And who is he? Did he have any bullet wounds? Wouldn't a person suffocate hiding under a pile of dead bodies for nine hours, wouldn't they be injured, or suffer crush system and have ruined kidneys...always the mysterious survivor, uninjured, undiscovered by the Serbs for 9 hours, who ups and runs away...I don't buy it.

from your post #16 After 9/11, the US had to come up with some way to genetically classify the remains of the 3000 dead of the Towers, so that they could, as much as possible, be returned to the families. There was already a system for this in place: in Tuzla, where they were hard at work doing the same to the bodies of the Srebrenica dead. We learned from Bosnia.

Yeah, hard at work, and getting next to no where. Why is the forensic evidence and identities kept from the public? Many of those bodies are likely Serbs killed by Naser Oric and his soldiers.

If they are so interested in determining the truth about Srebrenica then why this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838425/posts?page=162#162 :

In 1997 Mr. Zumach from the German newspaper Tageszeitung writes the following about the files relevant to Srebrenica in "UN tribunal criticizes the French 'total blockade'":

"In the New York central headquarters of the UN, all files relevant to Srebrenica have been classified "secret" for the next 30 - 50 years and are not even available for the tribunal. This decision was taken at the demand of the permanent members of the Security Council, the USA, France and Great Britain, in reference to their protection of the secrecy of government documents."

25 posted on 02/21/2003 5:49:35 PM PST by joan

To: homeagain balkansvet

Ooops! I am not a Serb and ooops Sharon was on the Serbs side. God bless Sharon and his work in Israel.

Under the Serbs there would have been ZERO al-Qaeda in Bosnia under your -ahem- bosses al-Qaedas were invited into Bosnia and allowed to stay in villages a stones throw away from NATO bases. Meet any there while you -ahem- served?

Does it bother your conscience that you and Osama were on the same side in that war?

I needn't account my actions to YOU.

Why not? My taxes helped pay your salary. I like to keep my employees accountable for their pay check.

26 posted on 02/21/2003 5:51:46 PM PST by Destro ("The past isn't dead. In fact, it isn't even past." - William Faulkner)

To: vooch; branicap

You got to see this thread.

27 posted on 02/21/2003 5:51:59 PM PST by joan

To: homeagain balkansvet

28 posted on 02/21/2003 6:02:50 PM PST by Destro ("The past isn't dead. In fact, it isn't even past." - William Faulkner)

To: homeagain balkansvet

29 posted on 02/21/2003 6:03:20 PM PST by Destro ("The past isn't dead. In fact, it isn't even past." - William Faulkner)

To: homeagain balkansvet

Again. We took control of Kosovo so that an Albanian Muslim state that had suffered genocide would not ally itself with Islamic extremists. We were there to head Al Q off at the pass. Less successfully than in Bosnia, granted, but still with much more than if we'd just let the Serbs run rampant. As for your accusation that I am an Al Qaida terrorist, ... well, that reflects far more on you than it does me.

Does it bother your conscience that you and Osama were on the same side in that war? Oh, it bothers my conscience that we weren't more effective in preventing genocide. How aboutyou? Do you even HAVE a conscience? Or do you just like to refer to your opponents as traitors because its fun?

I needn't account my actions to YOU.

Why not? My taxes helped pay your salary. I like to keep my employees accountable for their pay check.

Actually your taxes went to pay for the right front tire of an F-15 that has been mothballed at the boneyard in Arizona. It also went to pay for a Chicago teenager's welfare check, three bureaucrats in New York City in charge of customs inspection and a nuclear research scientist in Georgia. Have a nice day.

31 posted on 02/21/2003 9:05:47 PM PST by homeagain balkansvet (('You would, of course, have never survived the real Total Perspective Vortex," he said.'))

To: homeagain balkansvet

Oops you posted to yourself. Did I rattle you?

Go on post three cheers to the Albanian Muslims for burning Serb churches and let the assemledge judge your character.

There was no genocide in Bosnia or in Kosovo that the Serbs carried out. Last I looked Kosovo was made Jew-Free by the Albanians - children of the SS that they are and Croatia is Serb-Free - also a fitting accomplishment of the children of the SS.

The state in the Balkans that has the highest diversity of ethnic and religious groups in the Balkans? Why its those genocidal Serbs of Yugoslavia (S&M)!

I did not call you a terrorits just a useful idiot to the terrorists...you know, a dupe.

The commies had their useful idiots and so do the Muslims.

32 posted on 02/21/2003 9:24:15 PM PST by Destro ("The past isn't dead. In fact, it isn't even past." - William Faulkner)

: joan

Joan sez: From your post #14:

AAAAANT. Wrong answer. Source for this information was the ICTY (International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia) personnel in charge of investigating the war crimes associated with the fall of Srebrenica and elsewhere in Bosnia. They investigated some fifteen separate burial sites, three primary, twelve secondary sites (i.e., sites where the dead had been dug up from their first graves and then scattered into smaller secondary graves). There were eight burial sites associated with the murders at Kravica, each containing between one hundred and one hundred twenty bodies. The bullets responsible for the murders of the men in the graves forensically matched the bullets fired into the walls of the aforementioned Agricultural Warehouse. This is scientific fact established by an international team of investigators, including Americans. These were NOT war stories. This happened. They've already convicted a number of the perpetrators, including General Radislav Krstic, the Serb general who served as the Chief of Staff to Mladic at Srebrenica.

As for your saying they were Serbs? Wrong answer again. There are NO documented Srebrenica-type mass killings of Serbs by Muslims substantiated ANYWHERE in Bosnia. There were Bosniac (Bosnian Muslim) "war criminals," yes. They came in two flavors: (1) mass rapists, of whom there are five imprisoned in the Hague. (Every army has war criminals of a type... just ask 1Lt Calley.) (2) Successful Bosniac generals, of whom not a single one has been convicted of any war crime. Nazi Serbs have a bad habit of calling anyone who kicks their a$$ in the field "war criminals." It's kind of like calling someone who is kicking your a$$ in a written debate of FR a "traitor." Same mindset; what they lack in argumentative ability they more than make up for in hateful and mindless vitriol.

Also from your post #14:

"They appear instead to have been"..."A smaller group, of approximately 70 individuals, appears to have been taken"

This is just speculation based on no hard evidence.

Well, no evidence will convince the unconvinceable, the invincibly ignorant, or the Serb nationalist. But the evidence was hard enough that it got Krstic 47 years' imprisonment for his crimes in command at Sreb. "Kill them! Kill them all! Leave none of them alive!" This tape recording of Krstic's voice to the commander at Bratunac was played at his sentencing. I have heard this tape. "You have chosen evil, General Krstic," the judge said as he sent him to a parole-ineligible prison for the rest of his days.

His name: Kasim Mustafic, a soldier of the ABiH who was among the thousand in the warehouse. And yes, he was wounded, but not enough to kill him.

And it is entirely possible to survive under a crushing a thousand bodies. Happened in WW2 all the time; the survivors gave witness at the Holocaust Museum in DC. Mustafic was one of only three (not two, correction) survivors. They testified at the Hague at Krstic's trial.

The following is from the official Dutch report on the Srebrenica massacre, a report which resulted in the resignation of the Dutch prime minister. Mind you, the Dutch would rather have not told the public the truth about Srebrenica since it could, and did, lead to the downfall of their own government and their loss in the elections. But they at least 'fessed up regardless, the ONLY thing they've done right in connection with this abomination. The source is the Netherlands Institute for War Documentation (NIOD) and their website is "194.134.65.21/srebrenica/".

7. The late afternoon of 13 July: executions in the warehouse at Kravica

Later that same afternoon, 13 July 1995, executions were also conducted in the largest of four warehouses (farm sheds) owned by the Agricultural Cooperative in Kravica. Between 1000 and 1500 men had been captured in fields near Sandici. They were brought to Kravica, either by bus or on foot, the distance being approximately one kilometre. A witness recalls seeing around 200 men, stripped to the waist and with their hands in the air, being forced to run in the direction of Kravica.[1] An aerial photograph taken at 14.00 hours that afternoon shows two buses standing in front of the sheds. At around 18.00 hours, when the men were all being held in the warehouse, VRS soldiers threw in hand grenades and opened fire with various weapons, including an anti-tank gun.[2] In the local area it is said that the mass murder in Kravica was unplanned and started quite spontaneously when one of the warehouse doors suddenly swung open.[3]

Supposedly, there was more killing in and around Kravica and Sandici. Even before the murders in the warehouse, some 200 or 300 men were formed up in ranks near Sandici and then mown down with machine guns.[4] At Kravica, it seems that the local population had a hand in the killings. Some victims were mutilated and killed with knives. The bodies were taken to Bratunac or simply dumped in the river that runs alongside the road. One witness states that this all took place on the 14th of July.[5] There were three survivors of the slaughter in the farm sheds at Kravica. One recalls:

‘…all of a sudden there was a lot of shooting in the warehouse, and we didn't know where it was coming from. There were rifles, grenades, bursts of gunfire and it was – it got so dark in the warehouse that we couldn't see anything. People started to scream, to shout, crying for help. And then there would be a lull, and then all of a sudden it would start again. And they kept shooting like that until nightfall in the warehouse.’[6]

Armed guards shot at the men who tried to climb out the windows to escape the massacre. When the shooting stopped, the shed was full of bodies. Another survivor, who was only slightly wounded, reports: ‘I was not even able to touch the floor, the concrete floor of the building (…) After the shooting, I felt a strange kind of heat, warmth, which was actually coming from the blood that covered the concrete floor, and I was stepping on the dead people who were lying around. But there were even people who were still alive, who were only wounded, and as soon as I would step on one, I would hear him cry, moan, because I was trying to move as fast as I could. I could tell that people had been completely disembodied, and I could feel bones of the people that had been hit by those bursts of gunfire or shells, I could feel their ribs crushing. And then I would get up again and continue.’[7]

When this witness climbed out of a window, he was seen by a guard who shot at him. He then pretended to be dead and managed to escape the following morning. The other witness quoted above spent the night under a heap of bodies. The next morning, he watched as the soldiers examined the corpses for signs of life. The few survivors were forced to sing Serbian songs, and were then shot. Once the final victim had been killed, an excavator was driven in to shunt the bodies out of the shed. The asphalt outside was then hosed down with water. In September 1996, it was still possible to find hair, blood, human tissue and traces of explosives on the walls to be used in evidence. Some remnants of bones were discovered near one of the outer walls.[8] Sources:

[1] ABiH Sarajevo. Arnoutovic archive, 13/07/95.

[2] ICTY, (IT-98-33), Judgement, 02/08/01, para. 205, 208.

[3] Confidential interview (65).

[4] Confidential interview (55).

[5] ABiH Sarajevo. Arnoutovic archive, 14/07/95, witness Kasim Mustafic.

[6] ICTY, (IT-98-33), Judgement, 02/08/01, para. 205.

[7] ICTY, (IT-98-33), Judgement, 02/08/01, para. 206[1] ABiH Sarajevo. Arnoutovic archive, 13/07/95.

[8] ICTY, (IT-98-33), OTP Ex. 140, Manning Report, p. 6. ICTY, (IT-98-33), Judgement, 2/08/01, para. 207-8[1] ABiH Sarajevo. Arnoutovic archive, 13/07/95.

Yeah, hard at work, and getting next to no where. Why is the forensic evidence and identities kept from the public? Many of those bodies are likely Serbs killed by Naser Oric and his soldiers.

Why it's taking so long? It's damned hard work and damned slow because we have some 8000 dead men, and only 5400 living blood relatives. And there are only 12 guys on the project, and each set of bones takes one guy three days to classify, from initial puzzle-out to cutting out of genetic sample from femur or humerus to centrifuging the DNA sample to putting it on a slide to getting the results to doing computer analysis to match against known survivor samples.

If the Serbs hadn't been so bloodthirsty the job would be a lot easier. In fact if the Serbs hadn't done it the job would be unnecessary.

As for the results, however, they are NOT kept from the public. The headquarters of the classification effort occupies an office complex on the Juzhnaja Mazhistrala in downtown Tuzla.

Of course, if you aren't the least bit interested in the truth, I suppose it would be a waste of time.

BTW, the Sreb dead had not a single implement on them indicating Serb identity. Not a single crucifix, not a single Serb coin or bill or ID card or paper, not a single Serb flag or button or four-c swastika. OTOH, many carried identification cards matching the name of known missing Muslims; several carried Bosniac currency and Bosniac military accoutriments. They could tell they were massacred, though, because battle casualties are generally not shot in the back of the head at point blank range while their hands and feet are tied up with barbed wire and their eyes blindfolded. It tends to interfere with their shooting if they go into battle dressed like that.

Upshot: every single one of the murdered was a Muslim, plus a smattering (less than a dozen) Croats allied with them (generally Croats who married Muslim women).

If they are so interested in determining the truth about Srebrenica then why this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838425/posts?page=162#162 :

Yeah, well, Chinese helped rescue American bomber pilots, in WW2. Then tried to shoot them down in Korea in 1950. Loyalties shift, and the Serbs have been sucking on that particular lollypop for years. Changes nothing. They were good guys during WW2, mostly. In 1992 they turned into Nazis. It happens.

In 1997 Mr. Zumach from the German newspaper Tageszeitung writes the following about the files relevant to Srebrenica in "UN tribunal criticizes the French 'total blockade'":

Because they may contain info that there's a lot the French in particular would like to not reveal.

For purposes of this discussion there's enough on this massacre in public that five minutes with Google should prove to anyone who is willing to consider the evidence.

Not all holocaust deniers are German. Not all holocausts happened in 1940-1945 (although that was of course the worst). But moral culpability for holocaust denial remains the same regardless.

33 posted on 02/21/2003 9:28:28 PM PST by homeagain balkansvet ("Deny, deny, deny." -- William J. Clinton, SinkEmperor))

Go on post... and let the assemledge judge your character. You just did. Congratulations.

34 posted on 02/21/2003 9:30:25 PM PST by homeagain balkansvet ("Deny, deny, deny." -- William J. Clinton, SinkEmperor))

The commies had their useful idiots and so do the Muslims.

I'd never dream of calling you a "useful idiot." That would be untrue. The useful part, that is.

35 posted on 02/21/2003 9:32:30 PM PST by homeagain balkansvet ("Deny, deny, deny." -- William J. Clinton, SinkEmperor))

To: homeagain balkansvet

From: 'It's OK to kill non-Muslims': Bosnian-British radical cleric message exposed on Web

In addition to being used in the Ujaama trial in Seattle, the videos we obtained have been entered into evidence at the "Bosnian-Serb war crimes" trial at the Hague -- in support of the Serbian defense! These videos clearly show that attacks against the Serbs were being funded, supported by Muslim groups in the West -- U.S. and U.K. -- as well as Saudi Arabia. The Serbs were defending themselves from outside aggression.

21 posted on 11/18/2002 4:46 PM EST by JohnathanRGalt

From: www.johnathangaltfilms.com

Video Clip pgcc4.WMV Description: British armed muslims on film admit to killing hundreds of serbs on film. We never knew the UN gave them permission to kill in other country's the full tape is to bloody to air as it shows mass graves! And Terrorists Attack on serbs and mass graves being dig and bodies of serbs being put in it on film by muslims.

Video Clip 13.WMV Description: Bosnian Training Camp and short speech on killing by human homicide bombers.

36 posted on 02/21/2003 9:39:39 PM PST by Destro ("The past isn't dead. In fact, it isn't even past." - William Faulkner)

We have the truth and the Bosnian Muslims' own videos on our side.

The Clintonistas evidence...mold and Muslim testimony.

37 posted on 02/21/2003 9:53:04 PM PST by Destro ("The past isn't dead. In fact, it isn't even past." - William Faulkner)

Hmmn. A film "too bloody to air." How conveeeeeeeenient.

And of COURSE the Serbs are going to run Muslim propaganda to justify themselves. The SS would no doubt invoke the armed resistance in the Warsaw Ghetto to justify the Einsatzgruppe.

Muslim witnesses, American photography from the air (forgot to mention that, didn't I?), mass graves, identified corpses, bullets, international investigators, a long and stoutly defended series of trials in the Hague.... the crimes happened. To deny the crimes is to participate in them, to approve them, to align with them.

God have mercy on you.

38 posted on 02/22/2003 4:25:52 AM PST by homeagain balkansvet ("Deny, deny, deny." -- William J. Clinton, SinkEmperor)

To: homeagain balkansvet

Aaaaah. Here we go. Found the smoking gun.

I SHOULD have expected that I was up against ranting neo-Confederates. Here's the connection.

I post this for the interest of everyone ELSE interested in this thread, since Mr. Destro (why would someone take the name of a GI Joe doll?) and Miz Joan seem to be impervious to reason. We're up against the Pat Buchanan Right, here, comrades. No wonder they don't make any sense.

"[S]everal influential factions in American politics adamantly opposed confronting the Milosevic regime's ten year campaign of "ethnic cleansing" and have proposed or supported legislation that would in effect strengthen the ability of the Belgrade regime to carry out its atrocities with impunity. These factions include both the right and left wing extremes. This article is focused upon the right wing opponents of efforts to confront Milosevic. This movement of the right wing, particularly in the GOP, toward a pro-Milosevic position accelerated with the retirement of former majority leader Bob Dole who had clearly and cogently criticized U.S. appeasement of the Milosevic and Karadzic regimes, and with the decision by the Clinton administration to stop appeasing genocide in the Balkans. Among the extreme Clinton haters, anything Clinton supported was opposed automatically. But when one looks closely at the words and acts of some of the GOP congressional leaders on the far right wing and their allies in relationship to the genocide in the Balkans, even more disturbing questions arise."
(snip)
"This behavior has been attributed to the personalized hatred of Clinton that would lead some to sell their own mothers if they thought it would hurt Clinton. But there are also ideological affinities between the GOP extreme right and the Belgrade lobby, as well as strong financial and political connections. Much of the opposition has been focused in Texas and Oklahoma. There are now clear links between this opposition and Neo-Confederate groups angry at Hispanic immigration in Texas who see the Yugoslav army and police action against alleged Albanian immigrants as eminently understandable and, they imply, perhaps a model."
(snip)
"Please note, this is not a conspiracy. It is just a multiply overlapping set of people and groups with common values and common sensitivities."

Source of the following: http://www.haverford.edu/relg/sells/reports/gopbelgrade.htm.Posted for information purposes only.

GOP Radical Right, Belgrade Lobby, and Neo-Confederacy -- Multiple Connections

Michael Sells

June 14, 1999, January 17, 2002

In the Italian sector of Kosovo, the bodies of the Lipay family were discovered thrown down the family well, including 4 children and 1 woman. All were female and all had been raped and tortured. Some of the girls and women and been thrown into the well while still alive. A grenade was thrown on the top bodies, apparently in an attempt to eliminate the evidence. Turin La Stampa (30 JUNE). http://www.lastampa.it/LST/ESTERI/GRIGNETTI.htm

In the French sector, " In 3 wells in the village of Qirez, the bodies of 8 women, who had been raped over a 53-day period and then thrown alive into the water, according to French forensic experts, were recovered. The departing paramilitaries were said to have left with the locals' tractors loaded with booty and to have torched all but 20 of the 232 houses." Paris LIBERATION (5 July) as paraphrased on the July 6, 1999 Justwatch Newsgroup.

The above reports are just two of many thousands of incidents of mass-murder, torture, organized rape, and systematic annihilation of cultural and sacral heritage reported committed by the Serbian army, Serbian Special Police, and Serbian Paramilitaries in Bosnia from 1992-1995 and in Kosovo from 1996-1999. The true extent and nature of this organized campaign of extermination and terror leveled against Bosnian Muslims and Albanians by the Belgrade regime of Slobodan Milosevic is beyond human imagination. After reading hundreds of confirmed reports such as the above, one loses the ability to imagine the extent and methodical nature of the "ethnic cleansing" campaign.

Yet several influential factions in American politics adamantly opposed confronting the Milosevic regime's ten year campaign of "ethnic cleansing" and have proposed or supported legislation that would in effect strengthen the ability of the Belgrade regime to carry out its atrocities with impunity. These factions include both the right and left wing extremes. This article is focused upon the right wing opponents of efforts to confront Milosevic. This movement of the right wing, particularly in the GOP, toward a pro-Milosevic position accelerated with the retirement of former majority leader Bob Dole who had clearly and cogently criticized U.S. appeasement of the Milosevic and Karadzic regimes, and with the decision by the Clinton administration to stop appeasing genocide in the Balkans. Among the extreme Clinton haters, anything Clinton supported was opposed automatically. But when one looks closely at the words and acts of some of the GOP congressional leaders on the far right wing and their allies in relationship to the genocide in the Balkans, even more disturbing questions arise.

Since the NATO campaign began on March 24, the GOP congressional leadership and especially a group of extreme right-wingers have been calling the NATO operation "Clinton's War" and was openly hoping it would fail and end up in disaster. The House refused to endorse the operation by a 213-213 vote. Reps. Dan Burton,Tom Campbell, and Bob Barr filed a lawsuit attempting to stop U.S. participation cold, a suit that had it won, would have destroyed the NATO effort and led to a complete victory by Milosevic and a final blood bath against Kosovars, along with the destruction of NATO. And despite the principled and knowledgable position of some GOP senators, included John McCain, John Warner, and Richard Lugar, the Senate leadership was continually sniping at the effort and openly chagrined when it succeeded. It should be emphasized that, unlike McCain, Warner and Lugar, whose criticisms were directed at the way that the NATO campaign was conducted, the criticism of the Burton group was directed at any forceful effort by NATO to confront Milosevic.

The lawsuit co-signed by Cambpell, Burton, and Barr was filled by Representative Ron Paul (R-Texas). See Rep. Paul's May 1, 1999 Press Release: http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press99/pr050199.htm. Rep. Paul has portrayed the organized annihilation of the Kosovar Albanian communities as a civil war in which "both sides think they are right," and has attacked any efforts to confront the Belgrade regime's ten year policy of "ethnic cleansing." Among his many speeches and writings on the subject, see http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst99/tst032999.htm

The lawsuit extends an effort that began with Rep. Paul's introduction of legislation (HR 447) on Feb. 9, 1999 to stop President Clinton's proposal to send US troops into Kosovo as part of a NATO-led peacekeeping force, legislation that, had it passed, would have given a blank check for the Milosevic regime to carry out its long-prepared plan to destroy the Kosavar Albanian community. Senator Gordon Smith (R-New Hampshire) introduced a similar measure in the Senate. See the Feb. 24 press release of Represenative Paul at http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press99/pr022499-smith.htm

This behavior has been attributed to the personalized hatred of Clinton that would lead some to sell their own mothers if they thought it would hurt Clinton. But there are also ideological affinities between the GOP extreme right and the Belgrade lobby, as well as strong financial and political connections. Much of the opposition has been focused in Texas and Oklahoma. There are now clear links between this opposition and Neo-Confederate groups angry at Hispanic immigration in Texas who see the Yugoslav army and police action against alleged Albanian immigrants as eminently understandable and, they imply, perhaps a model.

Below are a few examples. To trace the WEB, follow the names: Rep. Dan Burton, Senator Larry Craig, James George Jatras, Yossef Bodansky, The U.S. Senate Republican Policy Committee, The Serbian Unity Congress, The Rockford Institute and its journal Chronicles, Pat Buchanan, Serge [Srjda]Trikovic (foreign policy editor of Chronicles), Thomas Fleming and David Hartman, leaders of the Rockford Institute, The League of the South with its web site Dixienet and its journal The Southern Patriot, The Policy Group of the Republican Party of Texas, The Lord Byron Institute, Representative Randy "Duke" Cunningham, Senator James Inhoff, Representative Helen Chenoweth, The John Birch Society and its journal The New American, Srpska-Mreza, the House GOP Task Force on Terrorism.

Please note, this is not a conspiracy. It is just a multiply overlapping set of people and groups with common values and common sensitivities.

The GOP Senate Policy Committee has taken as its chief advisors for Balkan policy Yossef Bodansky and James Charles Jatras. The WEB site of the policy committee proudly proclaims Bodansky as an expert and cites his long association with the House Task Force on Terrorism. The key person in the link is Senator Larry Craig, third in the GOP senate leadership. [Note, since this article was written, Bodansky, who spent years warning that Bosnjaks and an alleged Bosnjak-Iran conspiracy were the key threats for terrorism morphed after Bin Laden's attacks into an "expert" on al-Qaeda, very profitably].

Bodansky has been a major influence with the Serbian Unity Congress, which has long advocated the expulsion of Kosovars and supported the Karadzic regime during its worst genocidal policies. Bodansky has spoken at their meetings. He has protrayed all Muslims as a terrorist threat and has support the Belgrade regime's policy in Bosnia and in Kosovo with complete zealousness, and attacked Bosnians and Kosovars with the kind of stereotypes emanating directly from Milosevic propaganda.

Jatras was the keynote speaker at the 1998 SUC convention. He has written a number of anti-Muslim hate articles, with medieval stereotypes about Islam as a barbarian product of "heathen Araby." His hate does not stop there. He has vilified the Islamic sacred text, the Qur'an. And he has dehumanized all Muslims by calling Islam a "Gigantic Christian-Killing Machine." These defamatory comments were published in The Christian Activist, but were originally given in a speech to the Rockford Institute. Some of this information was given in a Washington Post article, but the Post missed the SUC connection and other important connections to White-Supremacist and Neo-Confederate groups in Texas. See The Washington Post June 11, 1999, Friday "GOP Aide's Islam Remarks Assailed; Sen. Craig Rejects Call to Fire Foreign Policy Staff Analyst By Caryle Murphy, Washington Post Staff Writer."

Jatras is an aide to Senator Larry Craig of Idaho. After Jatras's bigoted statements on Islam were uncovered and publicized in the Washington Post article, Craig refused to fire him. Thus a man who believes all Muslims are part of a "gigantic killing machine" is one of the major "experts" on Balkan policy for the GOP senator leadership and on the ethnic-cleansing carried out by the Milosevic regime, also on the premise that Muslims are by nature inhuman and cannot be leaved with in peace. No surprise then that Senator CRAIG, Mr. Jatras's protector and champion, has been another who has sniped at the NATO operation and belittled the importance of helping the Kosovars save themselves from extermination.

Jatras has spoken and written for the Rockford Institute, a Christian Right foundation. The Rockford Institute's agenda includes an attack on immigration from non-white and non-Christian countries, and includes articles by Rockford Institute member Tom Fleming on the parallel between Texas an inundated with hispanics and Kosovo as inundated with alleged illegal Albanian immigrants.

The Foreign Policy Editor of Chronicles, the Journal of the Rockford Institute is Serge (Srdja) Trifkovic. Trifkovic, a proponent of extremist Serb nationalist causes and former advisor to the architects of ethnic-cleansing in Bosnia (see below) has appeared on CNN as an expert on the Balkans.

The Chronicles web page on Kosovo includes every possible Belgrade position, from the claim that the atrocities at Racak were a hoax, to claims that Albanians in Kosovo were fleeing NATO bombs rather than Serb militias, that the Bosnian Muslims slaughtered themselves, and that Serbs were experiencing in Kosovo what white Americans are experiencing in the U.S. as the "browning of America."

One of the authors of this "browning of America" theme for Chronicles is another extreme supporter of Serb radicalism, Bob Djurdjevic. In a series of articles for Chronicles, The Washington Times, and on his out web site, Djudjevic glorifies as a victim the indicted war-criminal Simo Drljaca who was responsible for the region of the most gruesome atrocities in Bosnia, including the Omarska, Keraterm, and Trnopolje concentration camps, and he extols General Ratko Mladic, now indicted for genocide by the International Tribunal, and shows a picture of himself with his hero Mladic. He writes the New World Order (NWO) is out to destroy White, Christian America even as it is out to destroy the White, Christian purity of Europe. He even proudly publicizes a letter, sent to him by Ku Klux Klan leader Louis Beam in which Beam volunteers to fight in Kosovo to protect Serbia from the non-Christian hordes. Beam in turn, in an article called the Alamo of Kosovo, extols Prince Lazar and the Serb heroes of 1389 as the greatest defenders in history of Christian White culture and extols the effort by the Belgrade regime to continue this heroism in Kosovo in 1999. For full details, citations, and quotations of Djudjevic and Beam, see my full article, "'Mutt America', The Religio-Racist Right and the Balkan Genocide."

Key leaders of the Rockford Institute are its chairman, David Hartmann who is also Chairman and CEO of Hartland Bank in Austin and Dr. Thomas Fleming, who is President of the Institute and Editor of Chronicles.

Fleming is also a member and writer for the League of the South, an organization committed to Confederate causes, with a host of confederate flags and paraphenalia for sale. Here is a recent statement from the League of the South:

""League of the South Political Commentators condemn NATO Intervention in Yugoslavia

"Find out why your tax dollars are being squandered in an immoral and ill-advised act of aggression against Yugoslavia in a must-read op-ed piece in Chronicles magazine by Dr Fleming and Dr Serge [Srdja Trifkovic]. Dr Tom Fleming is a national board member of the League of the South and Editor-in-Chief of Chronicles, while Dr Trifokovic is a frequent contributor to Chronicles. Both Tom Fleming and Srdja Trifkovic are available for radio television, and print media interviews. In the past few days, Tom has appeared on WLS (Chicago), Wisconsin Public Radio, Chuck Harder's network show, the Catholic Family Radio Network, among others, while Srdja has appeared on CNN and WLS (among others). If you know of anyone who would be interested in interviewing either of them, please call Chris Check collect at (815) 964-5811"""

The League of the South can be found through its web site, DixieNet. In the same page cited just above, Thomas Fleming gives a long harangue against the NATO operation for "attacking a sovereign, Christian, European nation that we are not at war with."

Senator James Inhofe and Rep. Helen Chenoweth are featured in the current, June 14, 1999 issue of The New American, the Journal of the John Birch Society. Chenoweth claims that helping the Muslim Kosovars will lead to Islamic terrorism in Europe--almost as if her words had been given to her by Slobodan Milosevic or Youssef Bosansky. Of course, if Chenoweth and the GOP right had their way, and a million Kosovar refugees were left to rot in refugee camps without being allowed to return to Kosovo, then in two or three generations they certainly would become militant. That is the geopolitical reason that the Kosovars need to go home. It is abandoning them that would lead to radicalization, not helping them. The vast majority of Kosovars, like the Bosnian Muslims, are tolerant, open, largely secularized people who wish to be part of Europe, the continent on which they and their families have lived for centuries, and who wish to be integrated into Europe. For the John Birch Society's journal and its Inhofe and Chenoweth articles, see http://www.thenewamerican.com/

In her John Birch Society Journal article, Chenoweth also boasts of having made another virulently anti-Albanian article from the John Birch Society journall The New American available to her colleagues in Congress. The article, without any documentation, accuses the Albanian leadership of being "descendants of Nazis," as well as Maoists, Islamic Fundamentalists, and Narco-Terrorists. While the Albanian leadership in Kosovo and the armed group, the KLA, should be known and their political program examine, such unsubstatiated allegations, which have been continuously used by the Belgrade regime to justify its atrocities against Bosnian Muslims and Albanians, are just another form of hate speech.

Back to the energetic Thomas Fleming. Fleming is also on the staff of the Lord Byron Institute (along with Trifkovic, Alfred Sherman, and Ronald Hatchet, an institute set up to counter "anti-Serb propaganda" and which has supported the genocidal regimes in Pale (the Bosnian Serb Republic of Radovan Karadzic) and Belgrade throughout what has now been recognized internationally as the genocide in BiH and attempted genocide in Kosovo.

To find more about the Rockford Institute and its long-running anti-Muslim and anti-Hispanic themes, check out the website http://rockfordinstitute.org/about-tri.html

David Hartman, The Chairman of the Rockford Institute, is a former Texas Republican Candidate for Treasurer in 1994. He is also Director, Policy Group, Republican Party of Texas.

His Web site is at: http://www.tppf.org/assualt/author.htm

He is a major figure in The League of the South and DixieNET. See the League of the South webpage on 3/30/99 at http://www.dixienet.org. Here is an excerpt from a statement that appeared on Dixienet in March and April. A longer and more developed version of the same philosophy has been published in the Rockford Institute journal Chronicles:

"If there is any lesson to be taken from this sad and tragic war it is this one: it is perilous to allow one's ancestral lands to be occupied by a foreign and alien people. Kosovo was once inhabited only by Serbs. Today it is 90% inhabited by ethnic Albanians of the Moslem faith. Such an enormous demographic transformation virtually insured that one day the Albanian Kosovars would want to secede. (This is a lesson that Texans should pay heed to, lest they one day find out that they are going to lose the Alamo and the southern portion of the Lone Star State to hispanic seperatists who've been allowed to become a majority in what was once a predominately Anglo-Celtic State.)"

Meanwhile, back at the SUC annual convention, before James George Jatras, senior policy analyst for Senator Larry Craig, gave what the SUC called an "electrifying" speech to the group, the SUC honored his parents, Stella L. Jatras, and George Jatras for their contributions. See http://suc.suc.org/sucinfo/conventions/ninth/banquet.html

Stella Jatras has posted messages on the SRPSKA-MREZA electronic bulletin board. Srpska-Mreza is an organized of ardent Serbian nationalists that supported the regime of Radovan Karadzic who was indicted for genocide in Bosnia-Herzegovina, and who support radical elements of Serb nationalism in Serbia proper. Among Stella Jatras's messages was a long attack on Captain Scott O'Brady, the American pilot who was rescued after days of hiding in Serbian-army controlled territory in Bosnia. Stella Jatras accused Captain O`Brady of being a buffoon and suggested the the entire incident was phony.

On the House side, Representative Dan Burton is the all time champion in Congress in taking contributions from the Serbian Unity Congress, a group that openly demanded the expulsion of Kosovar Albanians in its 1991,1992,1993,and 1994 resolutions. (For documentation, click on the hypertext of SUC campaign contributions and Dan Burton at http://www.haverford.edu/relg/sells/reports.html. Rep. Randy Duke Cunningham, another vitriolic critics of the NATO operation and Kosovar Albanians as well, also received SUC contributions. After 1994, the SUC began channeling its contributions through individuals so that they would be more difficult to trace.

The GOP HOUSE TASK FORCE ON TERRORISM has put out much of the Yossef Bodansky anti-Muslim Belgrade propaganda. The problem is that none of the GOP members of the task force will either acknowledge Bodansky or deny the connection. He was originally connected to Rep. McCollum of Florida, one of the House Impeachment managers, but other information connects him to the late Sonny Bono who may have financed his theories about the world-wide Islamic terrorist threat and how Bosnians and Kosovars are its instruments. (To anyone who has met the victims of Serb nationalist atrocities in Bosnia and Kosovo, these stereotypes are behind despicable).

For information on the SUC contributions see the Balkans war-crimes reports page at http://www.haverford.edu/relg/sells/reports.edu

Ed Sebesta, My thanks to Ed Sebesta, who helped break the story of GOP Rep. BOB BARR's links to the White Supremacist group the Coalition of Conservative Christians or CCC (to which Senator Lott gave a keynote address as well), for showing the key link between the Rockford Institute and The League of the South, a Confederacy-advocate group. For Sebesta's web page on the Rockford Institute, with reports on Thomas Fleming and David Hartmann and information leading to their links to The League of the South, see http://www.mindspring.com/~newtknight/Rockford.htm

QUOTE FROM AD FOR CHRONICLES IN THE BACK OUTSIDE MAILING COVER OF THE LEAGUE OF THE SOUTH JOURNAL SOUTHERN PATRIOT.

"Chronicles is the only national magazine whose editors are all League members: Thomas Fleming, Theodore Pappas, Scott Richert, and Chilton Williamson, Jr. That's why every month in our pages, you'll find articles by League Board members like Michael Hill, Jack Kershaw, Grady McWhiney, and Clyde Wilson; reviews of the latest pro-South books; and features like "The Good Kennedy's," a profile of Southern patriots James and Ronald Kennedy"

"You've watched Tom Fleming fire up the crowds at League Meetings. Now you can take advantage of this special offer to subscribe to his magazine. For only $19.00 ...."

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Finally, here is an example just one recent event at the Rockford Institute. It featured Fleming along with Trifkovic, who is listed as a former advisor of Biljana Plavsic. Biljana Plavsic is one of the leaders of the "ethnic cleansing" in Bosnia from 1992-1995. In 1994 she announced that it was impossible to negotiate with Muslims because the "genetic material" that converted to Islam in the fiftteenth century and after was "deformed" and that with each successive generation, the genes of Muslims became more deformed until now they lack basic capacity of human reason.

Below is an example of a Rockford Institute program:

Rockford Institute Local Lectures presents:

A Panel Discussion and Buffet Reception "The End of the American Century"

featuring Thomas Fleming, president, The Rockford Institute, "Make War, Not Love: The America of Albright and Reno"

Christopher Check, Executive Vice President, The Rockford Institute,"Ready for What?: America's Modern Military"

And special guest
Srdja Trifkovic
Foreign Affairs Editor, Chronicles: A Magazine of American Culture
Executive Director of the Lord Byron Foundation for Balkan Studies
Former BBC World Service Journalist and U.S. News and World
Report Correspondent from Southeast Europe
Former Advisor to Crown Prince Alexander Karadjordjevic
and President Biljana Plavsic, Republic of Srpska
"Defending the West Against Itself"
Thursday, 24 June 5:30 P.M.

Reserve a space by calling Aaron Wolf at The Rockford Institute (815) 964-5811

Michael A. Sells

For more information on FEC records of compaign contributions by the Serbian Unity Congress and on the crimes against humanity in Bosnia and Kosovo, International Criminal Tribunal indictments, and efforts to help survivors of the genocide, see Michael Sells, "Seven Misconceptions about the Organized Atrocities in Kosovo," which is article number 2 on The Bridge Betrayed Balkan War-Crimes and Human Rights Page.

For an excellent source on the Neoconfederate movement in the U.S., including the Rockford Institute and the journals Chronicles, The Southern Partisan, and The Southern Patriot, see The Temple of Democracy site.

See also Michael Sells, "'Mutt America', The Religio-Racist Right and the Balkan Genocide," also originally posted The Bridge Betrayed Balkan War-Crimes and Human Rights Page.

An article on the radical left wing support for the Milosevic regime is in progress. Here we have another classic case where the extremes of right and left wing find themselves supporting the same cause.

The claims and opinions on this page and all other pages linked to Sells represent the opinions of Michael A. Sells only, and do not reflect the position of Haverford College.

39 posted on 02/22/2003 4:50:55 AM PST by homeagain balkansvet ("For you shall know the truth, and the truth shall pi$$ you off.")

To: homeagain balkansvet

"Muslim witnesses, American photography from the air (forgot to mention that, didn't I?),"

Many "witnesses" have been found to be bald-faced liars. And yes where is that photography from the air? Why were the satellite photos of the alleged mass graves of Muslims kept secret?

"His name: Kasim Mustafic, a soldier of the ABiH who was among the thousand in the warehouse. And yes, he was wounded, but not enough to kill him."

Oh, a soldier of ABiH, and what were his injuries - please describe. How do you know he wasn't injured (if indeed he was) by fighting his way out of Srebrenica? What were several thousands of ABiH soldiers doing in a UN safe haven anyways?

Further, if he was there when people were packed densely and shot (a very inefficent way of shooting people, as the bodies of others before them would block the bullets) then his clothing should contain DNA evidence of those around him when he was killed - after all you said he laid 9 hours beneath a bunch of killed men - the guy should have been soaked with blood. Why wasn't his clothes kept as evidence? How did he manage, being injured (so you say), and likely soaked with blood to escape notice of Serb soldiers as he left.

I'd like to see how Kasim Mustafic's testimony would hold up at the Hague kangaroo court. Even with the deck stacked against him there, Milosevic manages to find large discrepancies in these witnesses' testimonies, and witnesses for the prosecution often end up aiding the defense. Like the recent witness, Vasiljkovic, who implicated a Muslim in the Sarajevo shooting blamed for kicking off the war.

40 posted on 02/22/2003 10:33:38 AM PST by joan

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