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Lions developing a taste for humans
News in Science ^ | Jan 30 2003 | Danny Kingsley - ABC Science Online

Posted on 02/19/2003 12:47:20 PM PST by vannrox

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To: Oberon
A better source for the entire text of Col. Patterson's book: Patterson's Book

I read a few excerpts and it appears that Patterson used three guns in his lion hunting: a falling block action, perhaps a Martini-Henry, a .303 British, most likely tye Lee-Medford (the forerunner of the Lee-Enfield) and a double barreled 12 gauge shotgun perhaps loaded with slugs.

21 posted on 02/19/2003 2:02:46 PM PST by 45Auto
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To: Oberon
Here's a poor quality photo of Patterson himself (on left) with one of his rifles; I can't make out what it is from this photo.


22 posted on 02/19/2003 2:11:20 PM PST by 45Auto
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To: madg
>Indeed. Why wouldn’t the lions like us? We’re all pink and squishy; almost no hair, teeth, or claws; no hooves… if it weren’t for our bones we’d be like Jell-o to them!


Seems this lion is developing a healthy fear of humans (healthy for people).

23 posted on 02/19/2003 2:17:49 PM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: Oberon
who used a bolt action Lee-Medford rifle chambered in .303 British.

The legendary Lee Speed Sporter, if I'm not mistaken. Would he have been using Mk VII ball?

Probably not circa 1898, more likely the Mk II loading that preceeded it, though possibly using a heavier bullet than the the issue 215-grain roundnose. The *Cartridge, S.A. ball .303 inch Cordite Mk III* notoriously known for the production facility at DumDum arsenal in India was in service by 1897 [until 1903] but may or may not have been available in all the other corners of the farflung British empire, and there's also the question as to whether a 215-grain hollowpoint bullet would have had the best- and quickest- effect on large cats.

It wasn't until 1910 that the sharply pointed 174-grain bullet at 2440 FPS was pattern-sealed for production as the Mark VII loading, so it was more likely the Mk I or MkII cordite loading- or the even earlier original black powder loads for the Enfield- that solved the problem. But whether with factory-loaded military projectiles, ammunition produced by another source, or that modified or reloaded to suit the particular hunter, target or rifle, remains an open question.

-archy-/-

24 posted on 02/19/2003 2:22:35 PM PST by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: 45Auto
Here's a poor quality photo of Patterson himself(on left) with one of his rifles; I can't make out what it is from this photo.

That one appears to be a Martini. This one *may* be the Lee-Medford. Oh and some of them were not true .303 rifles, but had bores measuring .299 on the lands and .309 in the grooves, as did some Canadian straight-pull Ross rifle's of that same pre-turn-of-the-century era.

I'd expect he was quite proficient with either.


25 posted on 02/19/2003 2:35:08 PM PST by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: rintense; Chemist_Geek
Lions developing a taste for humans
Lions developing a taste for Packers, Vikings, and Bears.

There...that's better.

26 posted on 02/19/2003 2:50:25 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Yippee Kai Aye......")
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To: TheBattman
Lighten up Francis, Major Owens is a Congressman from Brooklyn Heights, New York and the Chair of the CBC (Congressional Black Caucus).

He stated in a congressional speech concerning slavery reperations that over 20 million slaves died during the passage from Africa to America and and were thrown overboard and sharks are still patrolling the slave route waiting for more human flesh. To save you some time, the numbers worked out to somewhere around 4000 slaves a day were cast overboard.

This was a not too subtle political jab that crossed my mind when I read where the article stated that the total lion victims were probably much less than folklore dictates. My apologies, I keep forgetting there are a number of people here who go through life with their panties in a wad and jump to ill-informed conclusions.

Have a good evening.

27 posted on 02/19/2003 3:40:14 PM PST by Hatteras (The Thundering Herd Of Turtles ROCK!)
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To: vannrox

That's too bad. I thought the Lions were a good, charitable organization. I wondered how they got all those eyeglasses though - but eating people!!? I'm going to stay away from them now. Sheesh!

28 posted on 02/19/2003 3:59:19 PM PST by Spiff
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To: Hatteras
Nice of you to educate me in the fact that being a congressman and Chair of the CBC makes someone a genuine irrefutable source of information.

Now, I have no doubts that huge numbers of slaves died, both in the capture (by fellow Africans for the most part), the transport across land (lions, conditions, etc.), and in the trip across the ocean. I in no way wish to take away from that fact.

4000 slave per day thrown overboard? That's a lot! I can't imagine how many ships must have been in-route at a time to have that many to throw overboard.

By the way, what do you expect your share of the anticipated reparations to be?
30 posted on 02/19/2003 7:52:06 PM PST by TheBattman
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To: TheBattman
"Nice of you to educate me in the fact that being a congressman and Chair of the CBC makes someone a genuine irrefutable source of information."

Uh, Major Owens is considered to be an idiot in most circles. Never mind though, the comment went right over your head.

Oh my, what would you do with a brain if you had one?

31 posted on 02/20/2003 5:21:55 AM PST by Hatteras (The Thundering Herd Of Turtles ROCK!)
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