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To: from occupied ga
LMAO!!!
You decide what is and what is not worth debating?
Prpetual motion machine? How is this device, or any of the others, a perpetual motion machine? Science called Tesla's invention of the alternator a perpetual motion machine, yet we all use AC power today!

The device is a fraud and the claims are fraudulent

Prety good fraud. It was granted US and German patents.
Not cost effective? Aluminum wire purchased at your local welding supply will release more power dollar for dollar than gasoline.

Look, I'm not saying this is a practical device. This is just one example of hydrogen generation that refutes the "impossible" dogma.

The whole point of this debate is to get people thinking. I remember the Arab oil embargo. I, and many others, would have happily shelled out our money for an alternative to gasoline. Price was not a factor, availability was. We do not need to depend solely on fossil fuels.

I was joking about the free energy device, but could easily demonstrate your misinterpretation of the law on that one too.

Come on Doc, science is fun and without crackpots like me you eggheads would die of boredom, or bore the rest of us to death!
94 posted on 02/21/2003 9:27:22 AM PST by radioman
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To: radioman
You decide what is and what is not worth debating?

Not me, physics and reality. I'm just better a lot better than you at seeing the difference between science and science fiction. The fact that you persist in ignoring reality shows that you don't want to learn either. Your position reminds me of arguing with gun control types. Their minds are closed and fact, logic and reason don't enter in to it.

It was granted US and German patents.

Patent means nothing; there are scads of patents for perpetual motion machines.

Not cost effective?

Absolutely right - (assuming the thing works by swapping the O in water to Al and making h2 and al2o3 and isn't a giant fraud to start with) it is not nor could it ever possibly be cost effective. It costs far more energy to produce aluminum than you could ever get back from using aluminum to generate H2 from water.

The whole point of this debate is to get people thinking

Yep - thinking is what eliminates H2 as a practical motor fuel.

. I, and many others, would have happily shelled out our money for an alternative to gasoline. Price was not a factor, availability was.

This kills your whole argument here. No such devices were available because they don't work. I remember the scams of the 50's and 60' where people claimed to have invented a pill that if you dropped it into a tank of water you could run your car on it. This is the same thing just fancied up to rope in the credulous. But like I said, don't take my word for it. Buy Make one and run your car on it. When I see it working then I'll believe it.

science is fun

Actually I found it to be boring. Which is why I no longer do scientific research plus what I do pays a lot better too.

I tired of wasting my time on this. Your choice, you can believe reality or fantasy. I really don't give a rat's ass, but you might consider that there are things where everyone's opinion is of equal weight. Whether to buy an m-16 or an ak, what color to paint the kitchen, is George Bush a liberal in disguise, etc. Then there are those things that are real and it doesn't matter what someone's opinion is: eggs dropped fall down not up, H2 is not a cost effective motor fuel, throwing yourself on a grenade will get you killed, etc. Those who choose to debate the latter category are generally categorized as bores to be avoided (or worse).

Go off and believe what you want, just don't be surprised when the egg falls down and not up.

95 posted on 02/21/2003 10:15:49 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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