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To: MarMema
But the truth is the Catholic church, as an institution, not as individuals, and often in the name of Catholicism, has hurt and killed people, over and over again. Jews, Orthodox, Protestants, and gypsies.....who knows what other groups?

And the truth is that the Orthodox church, as an institution, not as individuals, and often in the name of Orthodoxy, has hurt and killed people, over and over again. Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists ... who knows what other groups?

Maybe you'd like to talk about the 13 Ukrainian Catholic martyrs of Pratulin, shot by the Tsar's troops on the steps of their church for refusing to convert to Orthodoxy? This happened in 1876, BTW. The rest of their village was exterminated, as well; only the men who died protecting their church are formally commemorated as saints.

This particular example of the benevolence of the "Holy Orthodox Tsar" was part of a campaign of -- get this -- forcible conversion to Orthodoxy in the Western Ukraine.

I don't particularly care to dredge stuff like that up. It would be nice if we could forgive and forget. But you don't seem to want to go there.

"Let the one among you who is without sin, cast the first stone."

110 posted on 02/16/2003 8:41:59 PM PST by Campion
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To: Campion
This particular example of the benevolence of the "Holy Orthodox Tsar" was part of a campaign of -- get this -- forcible conversion to Orthodoxy in the Western Ukraine.

Is the Russian Orthodox Church naming this Tsar as a saint? But the Roman Catholic Church is doing so for the Ustashe Cardinal Stepinac, whose forced conversion campaign resulted in tens of thousands of deaths.

129 posted on 02/17/2003 6:13:52 AM PST by FormerLib
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