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Will The Real Muslims Stand Up?
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | February 13, 2003 | Hal Lindsey

Posted on 02/13/2003 4:15:56 AM PST by joesnuffy

Will the real Muslims stand up?

Posted: February 13, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

Despite the massive efforts of the United States to remove Osama bin Laden and the al-Qaida organization, they are still very much with us. I don't mean to suggest that U.S. efforts in Afghanistan and elsewhere are faulty, but rather to emphasize how complex and difficult it is to combat this new kind of enemy.

In World War II, we saw how difficult it was to confront the fanatically motivated Third Reich of Nazi Germany. Their leaders and a good part of the populace were uniquely motivated by their Aryan doctrine of the "Master Race" and their destiny to rule the world. Few realize how occultic the inner workings of this regime were. This belief contributed greatly to their successes. It was largely because of it, they nearly defeated the combined forces of the whole world.

The Japanese religion, or emperor and ancestor worship, and their faith in the mystical power of the Samurai warrior also made them a formidable enemy. It inspired the Japanese soldiers to fight to the last man on many battlefields, rather than to disgrace their ancestors. It also inspired the suicidal kamikaze pilots that wreaked such havoc on our naval forces.

But we face a greater threat from Islam than all of these past enemies put together. Now I am aware of the fact that most Muslims are not seeking to conquer the world and either subject or kill the infidel. Thank God, and I do mean Jehovah, the God of the Bible.

But we do have to confront the fact that inherent within the most foundational doctrines of Islam are elements that have produced violent Muslim movements in every generation since Muhammad. We have to reckon with the historical fact that Muhammad both taught and practiced violence, which he saw as part of the religion he founded.

We must learn from the early history of Islam. With the death of Muhammad in A.D. 632, there arose the "Khaliph Rasul Allahs," which means "the Successor of the Messenger of Allah." The first four Khaliphs are called "the Divinely Guided Ones." Omar ibn al-Khattab, the second Khaliph reigned from A.D. 634 to A.D. 644. He drew his sword and, with his Bedouin army, exploded out of the Arabian Peninsula.

George Grant, in his book "The Blood Of The Moon," chronicled Omar's amazing conquests: "Before his death in A.D. 644, Omar had spread the dominion of Islam from the Euphrates across the North African Littoral. He had conquered all of Iraq, brought Persia to the brink of collapse, controlled the southern Mediterranean coastline, and put Christendom on the defensive at every turn. In addition, he left his successors a tumultuous momentum that gave them expansive new conquests in Spain, Sicily, Crete and Italy." He also captured Jerusalem and all the Holy Land in A.D. 635.

This "Divinely Guided One" did not convert people to Islam by evangelistic preaching, but by giving them a choice of convert or die. Within 100 years after the death of Muhammad, the "Divinely Guided Ones" took Islam to the borders of China in the east; to the coast of the Atlantic in the west; and to the gates of Vienna in Europe. This was all done by violent conquest, not by preaching a message of peace.

They left behind a trail of hundreds of thousands of slaughtered Christian and Jewish "infidels." One Christian church after another was desecrated and turned into a mosque – including the greatest church edifice of early Christendom, the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul (Constantinople). On the ceilings were hung Arabic plaques that quote from the Koran, "All praise be to Allah who never had a son."

The Muslim today who proclaims that Islam is a religion of peace has to turn a blind eye to many specific verses in the Koran that order the faithful to kill the infidel. They have to ignore the example of Muhammad and the most venerated Khaliphs that followed him.

This is why those we call "Islamic fundamentalists," "radical Islamists," "Muslim militants" or whatever, are growing in number in every part of the world. They come with the zeal and fiery conviction of those who can point to all that is considered holy in Islam as the justification for their faith and action.

As an unbiased observer who has thoroughly studied all of these things, I have to say that the Islamic fundamentalist is the true Muslim. Osama bin Laden quotes the Koran and refers to the example of Muhammad with skill and precision.

The fundamentalist can silence the Muslim dissenter very quickly and leave him with real guilt. The ones we call "moderate" Muslims are apostates. This is how bin Laden referred to them in his most recent audio tape: "I also assure those true Muslims should act, incite and mobilize the nation in such great events, hot conditions, in order to break free from the slavery of these tyrannical and apostate regimes, which is enslaved by America, in order to establish the rule of Allah on Earth. Among regions ready for liberation are Jordan, Morocco, Nigeria, the country of the two shrines [Saudi Arabia], Yemen and Pakistan."

You may think that these are the words of a fanatic to whom no one is listening. But the evidence is that the average Muslim around the world is converting to his example of faith in great numbers. At least 10 percent of the 1.3 billion Muslims in the world are fundamentalists. That means that al-Qaida has at least 130 million of the faithful to draw soldiers and support from.

If you think they're not successful, just look at the cities of the world that are on "High Alert" for major terrorist attacks at this moment: New York City, San Francisco, Chicago, Los Angeles, Seattle, Philadelphia, Houston, London, Manchester, Paris, Berlin, Frankfurt, Rome, Milan, Singapore, Sydney, Manila, Amman, Kuwait City, Qatar – to name a few.

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim – at least those of major world concern today. This forces upon the "moderate" Muslims a unique situation. We are not going to find Muslim terrorists outside of the Muslim communities. It is critical therefore that we utilize our limited resources to the fullest on the Muslim communities.

We should, of course, be careful not to treat anyone as guilty until there is evidence of guilt. But Muslims in this country need to stop crying about their rights and start willingly cooperating with all efforts to find the terrorists cells among their numbers. They should realize it is for their protection as much as it is for the rest of Americans. There is no other way to find those Muslims who are dangerous. Either Muslims are Americans first, or they should find another country.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alkhattab; balkans; islam; moderatemuslims; omaribn; realmuslims; usmuslims

1 posted on 02/13/2003 4:15:56 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: joesnuffy
The Muslim religion is violent, and intolerant of anything but itself.

It was recently "proven", to the extent of 2000 American lives in NYC (not to mention the terroist score all the way back to the Munich olympics) that it doesn't belong in the United States.

Our "religious tolerance" is stupid, if the religion in question has, and an article of faith, extermination of non-believers.

When are we going to wake up and kick this "thing" out of this country?

Think about it the next time you see a head rag in a grocery store. The person may be an "innocent", but they adhere to a leadership who, at the top, and at the core, represent hate, violence, and intolerance. That makes them either dangerous, or plain stupid. (Same thing)
2 posted on 02/13/2003 4:31:33 AM PST by RISU
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To: joesnuffy
I am not a "Muslim-basher," and have argued on this forum that most American and "westernized" Muslims are both decent people and as non-violent as anyone else.

Nevertheless, I agree with Lindsay that the correct interpretation of the Koran AND the Hadith (you cannot separate them) is that Islam is anything but a "religion of peace." We are left with three options:

1) most Muslims either do not understand their own holy books;

2) most refuse to interpret them the way I (an admitted "infidel" by their standards) do;

3) most do understand them, and interpret them correctly (again, from my "infidel" perspective) but are purely disobedient just as many (most?) so-called Christians are to the teachings of THEIR holy books.

If one surveyed just AMERICAN Christianity, which "version" (denomination) would one conclude "represents" American Christianity? Is it the pacifistic Quakers? The one-worlder Methodist/Lutherns? The socially conservative but hierarchically rigid Catholics? The "emotional" Pentecostals? The "sects" like the Mormons or Christian Scientists? The "unforgiving" Baptists?

You see my point. Trying to Define all of Islam, even using its own holy books as a reference point, is impossible, because Muslims are no more monolithic than Christians are.

Having had discussions with Muslim students at my school---some of whom are genuinely mystified at views that Islam is inherently violent---I can tell you that whatever WE non-Muslims think is the "right" or "correct" interpretation of the Koran, it is an interpretation not universally accepted by Muslims. Whether they are, or are not, a majority remains to be seen.

3 posted on 02/13/2003 4:39:23 AM PST by LS
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To: joesnuffy
When are the real mo-slimes going to stand up? A certain famous one named Osama bin Laden seems to be doing a good job of it.
4 posted on 02/13/2003 4:42:44 AM PST by neutrino (1eV... and still able to zing along!)
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To: joesnuffy
As an unbiased observer who has thoroughly studied all of these things, I have to say that the Islamic fundamentalist is the true Muslim. Osama bin Laden quotes the Koran and refers to the example of Muhammad with skill and precision.

Exactly!    One of the nicest things about FR and the 'net is that one has an opportunity to read the un·politically correct truth.
"I will make my body a bomb," said the boy, "that will blast the flesh of Zionists, the sons of pigs and monkeys.... I will tear their bodies into little pieces and will cause them more pain than they will ever know."  His classmates shouted in response, "Allah Akhbar," [God is great] and his teacher shouted, "May the virgins give you pleasure."    Islam Unveiled, Robert Spencer cites Jack Kelley's article in USA Today describing the latter's visit to a school run by Hamas... an eleven year old boy reported this to his class.

5 posted on 02/13/2003 4:50:51 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: joesnuffy
> We must learn from the early history of Islam. With the death of Muhammad in A.D. 632, there arose the "Khaliph Rasul Allahs," which means "the Successor of the Messenger of Allah." The first four Khaliphs are called "the Divinely Guided Ones." Omar ibn al-Khattab, the second Khaliph reigned from A.D. 634 to A.D. 644. He drew his sword and, with his Bedouin army, exploded out of the Arabian Peninsula.


The only fault I find with Lindsay's article is that he doesn't go back far enough, to Muhammad's own bloodletting. The Kaliphs learned well from their bloodthirsty mentor.

The great irony here is that the worst of the Moslems are the ones who take their faith most seriously. As Lindsay says, it is the moderates who are apostate. And we shouldn't forget it.
6 posted on 02/13/2003 5:17:45 AM PST by Paul_B
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To: joesnuffy
But Muslims in this country need to stop crying about their rights and start willingly cooperating with all efforts to find the terrorists cells among their numbers.

I heartily agree with this statement.

I remain unconvinced that there are not a lot of moderate Muslims, however it is incumbent on them to make themselves heard as Mansour Ijaz and some others have done.

Terrible atrocities have also been commited in the name of Christianity. Ask an Inca...if you can find one.

7 posted on 02/13/2003 5:28:00 AM PST by cerberus
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To: joesnuffy
They did. On September 11, 2001.
8 posted on 02/13/2003 5:31:31 AM PST by Destructor
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To: LS
Yes, fine. I say "handsome is as handsome does". 2000 bodies of innocent Americans is "enough" evidence. About the same body count as Pearl Harbor.
9 posted on 02/13/2003 5:37:51 AM PST by RISU
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To: joesnuffy
We should, of course, be careful not to treat anyone as guilty until there is evidence of guilt. But Muslims in this country need to stop crying about their rights and start willingly cooperating with all efforts to find the terrorists cells among their numbers. They should realize it is for their protection as much as it is for the rest of Americans. There is no other way to find those Muslims who are dangerous. Either Muslims are Americans first, or they should find another country.

This needs to be repeated over and over on talk radio
This treating American Muslims with kid gloves and making their mosques off limits to investigation is BS

In addition Bush better fire all these officials who keep stating that ANOTHER ATTACK IS INEVITABLE and replace them with people who state WE WILL DO EVERY THING TO PREVENT ANOTHER ATTACK

DUCT TAPE MY ASS
10 posted on 02/13/2003 5:46:16 AM PST by uncbob
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To: cerberus
Terrible atrocities have also been commited in the name of Christianity. Ask an Inca...if you can find one.

Christianity recent historty has changed
ISLAM's hasn't
11 posted on 02/13/2003 5:48:22 AM PST by uncbob
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To: RISU
Yes, I agree, but I also know that most westernized Muslims honestly don't think al-Quaeda and the Wahabbists represent "their" faith. Certainly, they are horrified by people like Farrakhan, whom they see in the same light was most "traditional" Christians view Jim Jones.
12 posted on 02/13/2003 7:28:01 AM PST by LS
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To: joesnuffy
"Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim – at least those of major world concern today."

Speaks for itself.

13 posted on 02/13/2003 8:50:28 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: *balkans
They left behind a trail of hundreds of thousands of slaughtered Christian and Jewish "infidels." One Christian church after another was desecrated and turned into a mosque – including the greatest church edifice of early Christendom, the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul (Constantinople). On the ceilings were hung Arabic plaques that quote from the Koran, "All praise be to Allah who never had a son."
14 posted on 02/14/2003 10:51:23 AM PST by Destro (Duct and Cover...Duct and Cover...)
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