U.S. Had Data Hinting of Okla. Bombing

AP News ^ | 11 Feb, 2003

[honway]

Thanks for the heads up.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030212-81413227.htm

FBI, ATF knew of supremacists' desires to attack

[SierraWasp]

So what "meeting" or event was "W" supposed to be stopping? Was this some "militia" event/activity? Some investigative/press disclosure... what?

[honway]

On a quick read, I didn't see any mention of Iraq there either.

Interesting. Dennis Mahon was connected to Elohim City. Mahon was getting a monthly check from Saddam, according to Mahon, yet no mention of that in the article.

[honway]

So what "meeting" or event was "W" supposed to be stopping?

It was a meeting of survivors and people who had lost loved ones in the bombing who were unhappy with the official explanation because of what many of them had witnessed firsthand. They were preparing to go to the media to demand answers.

[honway]

For more information on tape see the link below. The transcript is contained in The Final Report of the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b0c8fd81525.htm

What Does Congressman Istook Know About the OKC Bombing?

[baseballmom]

Thanks for the update.

I have just phoned and emailed Arlen Specter(R-Pa) and Curt Weldon (R-Pa), my congressman, to ask for updates on the progress of the investigation of Jayna's claim of an Iraqi connection in the OKC bombing.

You may recall, that a local Philly radio talk show host, Michael Smerconish, broadcast his show a while back from Specter's office in DC. Jayna Davis was the guest, along with a counter-terrorism expert, and a former DOD guy. She laid out her facts to Specter and the radio audience.

Specter appeared to agree that the information she presented warranted an explanation from the DOJ. He had previously contacted the DOJ about this matter, and in his words,"His (staff's) inquiry had been rebuffed."

During the show, Michael said that Curt Weldon was also apprised of the evidence Jayna presented, and had agreed to look into it.

To tell the truth, I don't feel very confident. We can't even get people to believe that Iraq is a threat to us now. Imagine this information coming out now - when we are trying to make a connection to Iraqi terrorism. The peace at any price crowd would howl that the administration is desparate to make a connection to Iraq and manufacturing evidence.

Oh well, we'll keep on pressing for info.

[honway]

I have just phoned and emailed Arlen Specter(R-Pa) and Curt Weldon (R-Pa), my congressman, to ask for updates on the progress of the investigation of Jayna's claim of an Iraqi connection in the OKC bombing.

Thank you for efforts. Please let me know if you recieve a response.

[honway]

fyi

[Pagey]

U.S. Had Data Hinting of Okla. Bombing

Of course we did, and the person in charge,let us not forget,who personally appointed his entire Cabinet in 1992 including the FBI Chief was : Billy 'I'm only into this for the Power' Jeff Doo-Dad Clintoon. The election of 1992 was the beginning of the end of America as we know it.(Also: "Go buy some Duct tape and plastic", I've never heard anything so irrational in my entire life.Listening to a former Mossad member on Hugh Hewitts Radio Show last night, he described how that simply won't work in America.It works in Israel because they live in "Solid Concrete Homes".We in America live in "Wood and Compressed Wood homes".Sheesh, I had a 'Yechhhhh' feeling in my stomach when he said that.)

[blackie]

Be Ever Vigilant!

Be Well - Be Armed - Be Safe - Molon Labe!

Let's Roll!

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads ups!

[thinden]

thanx for the heads up....and the information.

[lakey]

bttt

[Uncle Bill]

FBI - See No Evil

OKC Bombing: Precursor to 9-11

Help is on the way.

[thinden]

noticed a follow up piece on OKC "head fake" in today's hard copy of the Demazette.

[honway]

Hard Left's "Right-Wing" Kin

A version of the "phantom cell" design was used by accused bank robbers Richard Lee Guthrie and Peter Kevin Langan, who were arrested in January and charged with a two-year string of 18 bank robberies in seven states. Guthrie and Langan claimed to belong to an underground network called the "Aryan Republican Army." "If you ever have studied the IRA [Irish Republican Army], you will understand more about ... guerrilla organization," Guthrie told reporters from jail. "You will understand what is eventually coming to this country."

Guthrie also claimed that an April 1st bank robbery in Spokane, Washington was the work of a "phantom cell." The robbers, who were photographed wearing fatigues, left behind a note claiming to belong to the "Phineas Priesthood," a title conferred upon Aryan enforcers of "racial purity." As a diversion, the robbers detonated a pipe bomb at offices of the Spokane Spokesman-Review newspaper shortly before raiding the bank. "That was one of the cell groups," Guthrie told reporters. "I recognized it. All the patterns were correct."

To some, it will seem curious that members of a secretive underground movement would discuss their tactics so freely with a hostile press. But the case of Guthrie and Langan is fraught with such oddities. According to the Los Angeles Times, Richard Guthrie has been under Secret Service scrutiny since 1991, when he allegedly threatened then-President George Bush. To keep tabs on Guthrie, federal agents recruited a close friend to act as an informant -- none other than Peter Langan, whom the feds sprung from a Georgia jail cell in 1993. At the time, Langan was awaiting trial for robbery.

Guthrie is a court-martialed former sailor who left the Navy in 1983 after an unsuccessful attempt to join the elite Navy SEALs. Langan, whose father was a CIA officer, has listed his occupation as "revolutionary" on financial affidavits. In the apartment the duo rented in Columbus, Ohio, investigators found pipe bombs, handguns, police uniforms, wigs, and a self-produced videotape entitled The Aryan Republican Army Presents: The Armed Struggle Underground. A masked figure in the video describes the group's objectives: "Eliminate the government, from the federal government to the county seats. Exterminate Hymie [a derogatory reference to Jews]. Repatriate all non-whites to their homes. Return the country to the Bible...."

Scripted Role?

Although the press has had access to Guthrie, Langan is being held in isolation at an undisclosed location. He narrowly missed death in the gun battle that took place during his January 18th arrest, when one of the shots fired at him by federal agents grazed his scalp. According to his attorney, Langan believes that his arrest was actually an assassination attempt and that his earlier dealings with the feds have led to his present problems. Though this contention is entirely self-serving, the accumulated oddities in the matter of Guthrie and Langan might reasonably provoke the suspicion that they were playing a scripted role.

The robberies for which Guthrie and Langan stand accused netted an estimated $500,000, at least half of which is believed to have been funneled to remnants of the "Order," a terrorist offshoot of the Aryan Nations which conducted its own campaign of robbery, counterfeiting, and murder in the mid-1980s. Robert Matthews, who organized and led the Order, perished in a standoff with federal officials on Washington's Whidbey Island in December 1984.

[honway]

McCurtain Daily Gazette (Idabel, Oklahoma)

1 July 1997

THE REV. ROBERT MILLAR IDENTIFIED AS FBI INFORMANT

By J.D. Cash

Tulsa-- Near pandemonium broke out in a federal courtroom here Monday when a senior agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation shocked observers by telling the court that the spiritual leader of Elohim City, the Rev. Robert Millar, was a confidential informant for the FBI.

The McCurtain Daily Gazette has long been reporting that Elohim City is a religious and paramilitary compound in east-central Oklahoma that is frequented by some of the most dangerous members of the neo-Nazi iunderground in the United States and Canada.

Although residents of the cult have continued to deny it publicly, the Gazette has reported that its sources believe one of those shadowy figures was Timothy McVeigh.

Stories published in this newspaper have also exposed Elohim City as the center of a wide-ranging conspiracy to overthrow the federal government by members of a group called the Aryan Republican Army.

Several of those members have since been arrested on charges related to a string of bank robberies across the midwestern United States.

The incredible revelation that the leader of Elohim City himself was part of a government intelligence operation came during a pre-trial hearing associated with the upcoming trial of another confidential informant and frequenter of the compound, Carol E. Howe.

Howe, a former Tulsa beauty queen, debutante and one-time paid undercover informant for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, is scheduled to stand trial later this month for conspiracy charges associated with making bomb threats and possession of bomb-making components.

Howe was indicted shortly after the Gazette reported that she intended to be a key witness in the trial of Timothy McVeigh.

U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch, who presided over the McVeigh trial, refused to let Howe testify in Denver-- ruling that her information that Elohim City was the center of the bombing conspiracy "might confuse the jury."

Under questioning Monday by Howe attorney Clark Brewster of Tulsa, Special Agent Peter Rickel stunned everyone when he reluctantly admitted that the man Elohim City cult members call "Grandpa" is really a cooperating source for the FBI.

Millar's status as a confidential informant began in the fall of 1994. The FBI admitted in court that Millar was a paid confidential informant, although the amount of his paycheck was not revealed.

When Rickel disclosed this startling information, a senior FBI agent and several U.S. attorneys bolted from the courtroom in an agitated state.

Millar's encampment was heretofore considered by experts in domestic terrorism to be the "Switzerland" of the neo-Nazi movement in the United States.

Elohim City, a 1,000-acre area of rolling timberland, is the residence of some 80 followers. But more importantly, it has played host to some of this nation's most notable subversives.

Thus Millar's position as a mole for the FBI could explain why the compound has never been raided.

Despite its use as a hideout for gunrunners, drug dealers, bank robbers and suspected members of the conspiracy that bombed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Elohim City has enjoyed a reputation as a place fugitives can live without fear of arrest.

In the weeks before the Oklahoma City bombing, BATF agent Angela Findley had planned to raid the compound and arrest its security advisor, Andreas carl Strassmeir.

Strassmeir, an illegal alien who migrated to Elohim City from Germany, was supected by Findley of converting semi-automatic weapons to machine guns as well as plotting with other Elohim City residents and visitors to bomb federal installations.

Carol Howe reported to Findley during the time she worked for the BATF.

Howe told Findley that Strassmeir was the ringleader in the plot to bomb the Oklahoma City federal building and that Millar was preaching twice a day to his flock that the group had to act by April 19, 1995, or they would end up like the Branch Davidians in Waco.

The arrest of Strassmeir was scrubbed after senior members of the BATF, the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's office met in February, 1995 and discussed Findley's plan.

Sources have told the Gazette that Strassmeir was also an important source of intelligence for the U.S. government.

In January, 1996, shortly after it was discovered that it was Strassmeir that Timothy McVeigh had called for in the days before the bombing, the German national fled to his native Berlin with the aid of German intelligence officers.

With Millar now exposed, the loss of Elohim City as a virtual nest of spies for the U.S. intelligence community is almost assured.

But such a loss could have consequences far beyond the obvious.

If Millar was reporting a wider conspiracy to bomb the Oklahoma City federal building, and those reports were not subsequently turned over to Timothy McVeigh's defense team, then the withholding of such critical information by the FBI could get McVeigh a new trial.

Those reports, as well as Howe's, will likely be sought by the defense teams for both McVeigh and Terry Nichols and may also be subpoenaed by the grand jury convened in Oklahoma City to investigate the bombing.

Also those reports could prove important in several civil suits that are pending against the government for its alleged failure to notify the occupants of the Murrah building that there was a heightened risk of danger on April 19, 1995. And Congress is also looking into the government's intelligence role in the bombing.

Calls to the compound to get Millar's comments about the situation were not returned.

END OF STORY

[honway]

OKC Bombing Bump List

[TXnMA]

In my opinion, Mr. Lyons has all the ear marks of somone who has spent many years on the government payroll.

Howdy, Honway,

Good to see you're still 'fighting the goood fight"!!

FWIW, I heartily agree with you. During my research, it seemed one could never get near anything associated with Kirk Lyons -- withought smelling the aroma of Charlie India Alpha lurking nearby...