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To: ApesForEvolution
BTW, where did you get "30% sales tax on the food, clothes and medicines they buy" from?

NRST propagandists prefer using the deceptive practice of "tax inclusive" rates, which produces a mathematicly smaller number. However, the way most normal people are accustomed to calculating percentages, the rate is approximately 30%

Posing as "tax reform", the NRST (HR 2525) also represents a "land grab" where business interests are favored over individuals purchasing for their own use:

This a significant inequity between individuals trying to buy their own new homes and landord/investors looking to buy the same single family dwelling as a rental investment. This disparity has long term implications affecting the distribution of private property. The American tradition favoring individual property rights is reversed. The NRST would discourage individual "consumption" of real property.

While this example illustrates how the NRST affects purchase of a new home, it also applies to all other retail sales, including necessities such as food, clothing and medicines. It also applies to the necessity for shelter, not only for new home purchase, but also to rent charged by landlords.

Thank-you for asking and providing me the opportunity to explain how incredibly heinous and opressive this tax is!

381 posted on 02/09/2003 11:49:36 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
The NRST would discourage individual "consumption" of real property.

It looks like that to me, too. For instance, you would pay federal tax on a new house, but not on a "used" house. Do you pay a federal tax on land every time it's sold? (Seems like it to me.) Since all land on the face of the earth is "used," seems like there should be NO sales tax on land sales, or that the lot itself should not be taxed.

Attempting to tax lots when they're bought by individuals but NOT by developers for re-sale is fundamentally wrong, anti-populist, and a way to create a landed, feudal class & a peasantry, even though it doesn't seem like that now.

384 posted on 02/09/2003 11:53:51 AM PST by valkyrieanne
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To: Willie Green; ApesForEvolution

Posing as "tax reform", the NRST (HR 2525) also represents a "land grab" where business interests are favored over individuals purchasing for their own use:

Posing?

H.R.25
SPONSOR: Rep Linder, John (introduced 01/7/2003)
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.
Refer:
http://www.fairtax.org & http://www.salestax.org

Sure looks like tax reform to me.

Willy, how many years you going to continue with the same wornout irrational diatribe? You never change it or try even to clean it up to present a more coherent and rational argument for your postition. Just through it out there to bump a thread because you don't like seeing the NRST touted as a alternative to the income tax.

You continually throw it out inspite of the fact it has been totally refuted everytime you have posted it.

Now to answer your specific allegations:

This a significant inequity between individuals trying to buy their own new homes and landord/investors looking to buy the same single family dwelling as a rental investment.

ROTFLM(_|_)O!

Still playing rich man against poor man aren't you Willy.

You do know of course, that investors are home buyers and renters too, don't you?

Why don't you mention:

These factors more than overcomes any imagined advantage of investor over the homebuyer so that all homebuyers can become an investors too.

But then good socialists never consider becoming investors themselves now do they W.G.

391 posted on 02/09/2003 12:41:58 PM PST by ancient_geezer
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To: Willie Green; valkyrieanne
Now, lets take a look at some of your points and see how they hold up:
  • A family purchasing their own new home house(residential land is not taxed) for $200,000 pays NRST at a tax-included 23% rate. This means that of the $200,000 paid, $154,000 goes to the seller, and the Gov't receives $46,000 in tax.
  • A typical family purchasing their own new house today has 25% or more of their gross income extracted by the Federal government before they even think about buying a new or even an older house. That is not even counting the tax costs and costs of compliance placed on businesses of an additional 20 to 30% and embedded in the price of the new house.  

  • A landlord/investor can exploit the business exemption of NRST and purchase the same new single family dwelling tax free as a rental investment for only $154,000. Tenants pay NRST on rent and Landlords act as tax collectors for the government
  • Of course that landlord/investor also pays the same tax on the house he lives in or rents before he can ever become an "investor/landlord" in the first place. Or do you figure such folks live in NY allies and sleep on park benches.

    Additionally, a buyer of an older home, is not charged the NRST, which is the case of most first time buyers of homes.

  • The $154,000 vs. $200,000 purchase price advantage that landlord/investors enjoy over individual personal homebuyers can be expressed two ways:
    • Landlord/investors enjoy a 23% discount compared to the individual personal home buyer.
  • Actually not, as the Landlord/invester pays the 23% tax on the home he lives in whether rented or purchased, the same manner as any other individual.

    Again untrue, the landlord/investor pays the same tax on the home he rents or buys new for his personal use. All individuals are treated the same under the NRST. Infact, because the individual receives the full benefit and control of his gross income, as opposed to merely after tax income under the current system. That plus the NRST prebate paid to ALL households provides an enhanced opportunity for everyone to become investors.

    Under the current Income/Payroll tax system, the total contribution of the federal tax system(including taxes in gross wage/salaries) to the price of retail consumption goods and services is 36% for taxes alone. Including cost of compliance at around $600billion/year, increases that percentage to about a 47% total burden with respect to current family consumption expenditure caused by the federal tax system as it exists today.

     


    Frankly, I'll be happy to pay 23% of the total payment for new goods and services, or as you would put it (30% added on) to the tax free price any day. Considering that I have available my full gross pay from which to accrue tax free growth of my savings and investments.

    Compared to what we are hit with now:

    We must . . . End Tax Slavery Now; Nov '97
    by Jarret B. Wollstein

    HOW MUCH DO YOU REALLY PAY?

         According to the Tax Foundation, in 1994 the average American paid 22.4% of his or her income in federal taxes, plus 11.8% in state and local taxes - 34.2% total.

         But that's just the beginning! Dr. James Payne of the University of California found that in addition to direct taxes we also pay huge, hidden taxes including:

         For every $1 we pay in direct taxes, we spend an additional $0.65 in compliance costs. And even that figure doesn't include the cost of import duties, license fees and other government regulations. For a typical U.S. family, the real cost of taxes and regulations is at least:

    Federal taxes              22.4% of income
    State & local taxes      11.8%
    Compliance costs        22.2%
    Regulatory costs         12.7%

    70.1% of your income is now consumed by government


    393 posted on 02/09/2003 12:50:25 PM PST by ancient_geezer
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