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I never liked the stick insect look, personally. But have at it, you lot.

Regards, Ivan

1 posted on 02/08/2003 5:34:33 PM PST by MadIvan
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2 posted on 02/08/2003 5:34:48 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
fat chicks are in? yuck! seeing women with beer bellies and triple chins makes one sick. Is it that hard to put down the frito chips and go on the treadmill for an hour or so?
6 posted on 02/08/2003 5:39:47 PM PST by KantianBurke (Germany needs another round of carpet bombing)
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To: MadIvan
I never liked the stick insect look, personally. But have at it, you lot.

I bruise easily. Skinny wimmin are totally unacceptable

8 posted on 02/08/2003 5:45:26 PM PST by and the horse you rode in on
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To: MadIvan
Well, where's her bleeding picture?
10 posted on 02/08/2003 5:47:41 PM PST by a_Turk (Ready? Set? Wait!!)
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To: MadIvan
Twiggy was not one of your best exports, IMHO (grin).

Ah, but we quickly came up with Goldie Hawn. (She looks a little better with age, I think.)

14 posted on 02/08/2003 5:50:36 PM PST by the_doc
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To: MadIvan
Interesting article... however I have to say that Jennifer Lopez is proportional to her size and bone structure. Even Kate Winslet from Titanic was a good size.

Personally speaking I will never be the size of a Kate Moss, or like Ally McBeal. If I didn't stuff my face, I'd look like J.Lo also. However, I need to lose sixty pounds. There's nothing to be proud of in having a fat butt and a somewhat big stomach. It's plain UNHEALTHY. I find 'fat pride' to be an offense to good health.
15 posted on 02/08/2003 5:51:33 PM PST by cyborg
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To: MadIvan
My favorite Bond girl was always Claudine Auger, who played Domino in "You Only Live Twice". She wasn't thin, and she was gorgeous.

My teenage daughter is a swimmer, so most of the kids I see at meets are in pretty good shape.

However, the epidemic of obese kids is not a good sign, as they will have health problems later on. Also, the fashion today seems to be to dress slovenly, which does not go well with obesity.

16 posted on 02/08/2003 5:51:49 PM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: MadIvan
Damn! I finally got a treadmill to work off that extra insulation, and finally after all these years, fat is in. Time for the Oreos.
19 posted on 02/08/2003 5:55:47 PM PST by Samwise
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To: MadIvan


The Rosie look is now in.
27 posted on 02/08/2003 6:01:36 PM PST by John Lenin
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"I've had a string of boys. I'm happy," says Jessica...

What?...She fishing?...Must of attracted them with the 'ol "Tuna Town"

FMCDH

35 posted on 02/08/2003 6:11:40 PM PST by nothingnew (the pendulum always swings back and the socialists are now in the pit)
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I don't know why,but Spinal Tap's "Big Bottoms"comes to mind.
36 posted on 02/08/2003 6:13:13 PM PST by Uncle Meat
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To: MadIvan
I like being a size 0! :-)
37 posted on 02/08/2003 6:13:30 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: MadIvan
"I would like to think that I am a nice shape,"

Delusion can be a powerful balm.

38 posted on 02/08/2003 6:15:41 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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Fat is in style?!!!

Excuse me while I go back for seconds.
48 posted on 02/08/2003 6:39:47 PM PST by redheadtoo (Anyone want to join me for ice cream later?)
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To: MadIvan
What fat girl or gay dude wrote this article??? Fat is never in, it is inefficient, unhealthy, and gross. I have all sympathy for the obese but loose the weight, it smells in warm quarters.
49 posted on 02/08/2003 6:45:55 PM PST by Porterville
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I like big butts and I cannot lie. but not fat butts.
51 posted on 02/08/2003 6:48:12 PM PST by Porterville
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I don't think that this trend will go anywhere. The thin look arises from the effect of supply and demand on advertising. The purpose of advertising is to make people buy stuff. The way that this is accomplished is by creating frustration in the viewers psyche...and then suggesting that purchasing product X will alleviate that frustration. For a variety of reasons, the trait picked to create this frustration is sexual inadequacy. The advertiser makes the viewer feel sexually inadequate by showing product X with a hot model who possesses a difficult-to-attain body type. The viewer realizes that their own body is woefully inadequate....then figures that perhaps the product that the waif model is rubbing around her body will somehow transform the viewer into a sexual magnet.

But none of this works if the viewer already has the body type of the advertising model. If I already look as good as the model...then why he heck do I need the product? If we lived in a society where the major food issue was starvation (instead of obesity)...then advertising models would be fat. The selected model's body type must be the one that is most difficult to attain in the given society.

Also, from a purely health standpoint, I think that this trend is bad in some ways. While eating disorders are a problem....they pale in comparison to obesity. All of the studies show that our diet and idle lifestyle are causing an epidemic of obesity. This will not help things in that category.

53 posted on 02/08/2003 6:53:16 PM PST by quebecois
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Under the headline "Well rounded" are photographs of Ms Winokur and other well-padded stars, ranging from Kate Winslet, the British actress, and Jennifer Lopez, the singer, to Miss Osbourne.

This article is not only hilarious but quite the farce! Look at the above examples given and then compare it to the header 'American Beauty:Fat is the new thin.' First of all the biggest female star in the last 2 years (in terms of popularity and accrued income) is Jennifer Lopez (she was voted as the most 'admired' for 2002 and also had the highest income for a female in Hollywood once all her income ranging from her movies, to her album, to her restaurants, to her clothing and perfume lines were added). And she is listed in the above list as an anti-thesis of hollywood propriety and decorum when it comes to waist lines.

But the fact is J-Lo is not even near fat! She has a full figure ....but having a full figure (especially when pertinent to J-Lo) is a farcry from the full figure most of the population has! J-Lo's figure should nto be listed in an article saying 'fat is the new thin!' She may not have 'heroin-model' chic of lanky limbs that look anorexic, but she is definitely not the poster child of fat.

As for the reference to 'Ms Osbourne' that is even more hilarious than the prior example. Kelly Osbourne, has a figure that is truly representative of the majority of the populace, that is a fact, but Ozzy's cursing daughter is in no way going to change the industry. I personally like her because she packs a lot of spunk (even though i could do without the cursing), and the show she is in (the Osbourne's that show Ozzy's whole family in an hour-long curse fest that has more bleeps per hour than anything else on telly) is a hit (the most popular MTV program ever, meaning it is a huge hit with teenagers).

However tKelly Osbourne will not change the perception of skinny as nice because of the great 'perception-value' attractive packs. And attractive, as pertains to the advertising industry and also the entertainment industry, is basically wrapped up in one phrase: winning the genetic lottery! That means having a nice body, an attractive visage, clear skin, and such stuff! And the funny thing is that although most people do not fall into the above criteria it is still proven to be a great selling tool.

Look at any catalog and look at the models who stand next to cars, wear the clothes, hawk the colognes. Most are slim and attractive (or if not attractive outright then exotic, which has a power of its own). The 'full-figured' catalogs are basically fringe .....and by fringe i do not mean they have a small audience (they are actually quite succesful) ...just nowhere near the 'orthodox' (read:slim) markets.

Basically the idea that slim is attractive has permeated the thinking of most people. It is drilled in the media, in film, in music (if you have a teenage daughter chances are she wants to look like Christina Aguilera or Britney Spears; and if you have a son chances are he would want to date someone who looks like those singers). It is an ideal that has been proliferated and has stuck.

And it continues ....just go to any middleschool and look at the cliques that form and why they form. Chances are the alpha males/females are the physically attractive ones and the ones picked on are not going to be winning beauty contests anytime soon. Which is sad because how far you make it in life is primarily dependent on whether you believe in yourself or not .....but by the time they lave highschool most of the 'downtrodden lot' have basically been drained of any sense of self-worth! They think they look horrid, no one 'loves them,' and that they do not even know why they were born. And then they look at TV and see all the stars, and none look like them (or those that do, like Kelly Osbourne, are basically 'freaks' who only made it on because their dad is an 80s rock legend who bit off the heads of bats and doves in his concerts, and they have a show where they curse every ten seconds).

Saying the image is changing is just a huge farce ....and anyone really looking at it will know that is not the case (for every one Kelly Osbourne i can name a myriad of 'orthodox looking' stars who have bodies that are slim and toned).

The best thing to do is to change the perception of your child to where she sees self-worth based on who she is rather than how close her figure correlates to the Hollywood standard. That seems simple enough but the fact is most kids go to school and just get wasted there. And using Kelly Osbourne as as figurehead for 'hey, she is big and she is on tV' is just asinine ....especially when every other star that kid will see on tV will not look anything like Kelly (or herself for that matter).

65% of the population is over-weight according to statistics, and in highschools the number is even higher! More is needed than Kelly Osbourne and Kate Winslet (what in goodness name is Kate Winslet doing there even ....the last big hit outside Britain was the Titanic around 5 years ago ...anyways i digress).

As for Jennifer Lopez it is hilarious they even included it there! Linking J-Lo's 'full figure' to the 'full figure' most 'normal' people have is like comparing a Ferarri Modena to a Mustang .....they are both cars, and are both sporty and fast, but they are still worlds apart.

Personally i think this is just another article to give what i call 'fake self-esteem' to overweight teens and young adults (other examples of 'fake self-esteem' is when they tell kids not to play games like cops and robbers because those who are slow will feel bad ....it happened in Cali .....or when they make tests easy so that kids do nto fail too much and feel 'inferior').

Here is a picture of the 'full figured' J-Lo. Compare that 'full-figure' with the current standard in Hollywood, and the current standard in the real world (which is allegedly 65% overweight). I would say her figure is closer to Hollywood than to real life.


67 posted on 02/08/2003 7:35:27 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
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Fashion kings of the past wanted women to have the bodies of teenage boys. One wonders why ... Anyone?
76 posted on 02/08/2003 8:32:46 PM PST by GOPJ
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Does this mean chocolate is no longer the devil?


78 posted on 02/08/2003 8:34:00 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (All those wasted reese's cups................)
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