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The media and all the Clinton supporters went along willingly and gleefully in 1995- there was little dissent or complaining heard. Janet Reno and Bill Clinton said they needed these laws to make us safe and that was it. Bush-Bots had not yet been invented, but are now a convenient scapegoat for what happened to our freedoms in 1995- and you cannot deny who was president then, eh?

Thanks for the info and for making my point so eloquently....it just goes to show that the policies that began under the clinton adminstration are willingly being continued by the Bush administration, proving that once again, it doesn't matter which party holds the reins of power. Both parties are leading America down the road to socialism, and towards a one world government.

The same folks that condemned the intrusions under clinton are now cheering the same from Bush...that was my point.

What kind of bot are you?

Not a bot....I just want to keep what few freedoms and liberties that are still available.

It won't be long before gun confiscations will be underway.

And it was Reagan who pushed lots of rules on telecommunications providers to provide wiretap services to the FBI and others.

I think, though, that most of the complainers about the Patriot Act were in agreement with Clinton- there just was not the same level of dissent and discussion in the mainstream media. Not surprising, the mainstream guys loved Clinton and now hate Bush. If something Clinton did can be made to look like something Bush did, well good. Media talking heads are still saying 9/11 was the first terrorist attack on home ground- neglecting February 1993 and the bombing of the WTC by Ramsi Yousef and others (from Iraq) and Clinton's attempts to sweep it under the rug.*

At least the Patriot Act and the TA95 Act require warrants for most of the stuff- Carnivore and the like were/are broad nets.

I read Deep Black recently, about how NSA has for years violated law and constitutiion and mostly gotten away with it. For a while they took a peek at all Western Union telegrams. It was an NSA botch that freed the Chicago 7.

As for coming for guns, I don't see that at the Federal level. Lots of attempts at the state level, though, with moderate success.

*When Youseef was captured in 1995 his laptop contained plans to train suicide pilots in the US and send them against the Pentagon, CIA headquarters, and other high profile targets- named names and funding sources too. Gee, who couldn't connect the dots?