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To: Byron_the_Aussie
I don't need to have been on a battlefield to know the right way to conduct myself.

Yes,you DO! You come here to pontificate about the normal way soldiers conduct themselves on a battlefield,yet you don't think any battlefield experience is neccessary?

412 posted on 02/11/2003 5:21:30 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
..you come here to pontificate about the normal way soldiers conduct themselves on a battlefield...

Perry wasn't on the battlefield. What he did happened later, when the battlefield was secured.

But since you're about the tenth poster to try and confuse with that one, let me ask you something : is it okay, to cut fingers off the dead, if you're on a battlefield? I would have thought there might be more important demands on your time.

426 posted on 02/11/2003 6:05:34 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: sneakypete
At ease,....Let's hold school on some common ground here.

I suspect most of the posters here are in agreement that we have a common enemy.

We're also probably agree that it's in his best interest to see us bickering amongst ourselves while he targets us.

Just as in the grunts, there's considerable difference in how men fight and what drives their loyalty.

Some guys fight for this band of brothers stuff,..others fight out of national patriotism,....some fight out of duty and devotion to God,...some fight out a glandular infatuation. Perhaps this thread displays it more than most.

Here's where I hold school on some basics for those greenhorns who might get more impressed with their glands than with the consequences of living.

When you go into combat, you have a job to do. Just like a hand works on one fashion, the ankle in another, it takes the whole body to win the battle and battles need to be won to win the war. If they aren't won to lead a lasting will, the war will be for nothing.

When a man is killed, his soul, spirit, that something immaterial which actually distinguishes him from dust, departs the body. The thing that departs the body upon physical death, is the same darned thing that drives the conflict in warfare.

The person being fought might command and control his body to take actions to kill you, so he has to be opposed, sometimes by physical force, deadly force, which results in his soul leaving his body.

That's death.

The separation of soul/spirit from the body.

It's been known since Adam. In the Hebrew, death means separation,...sometimes applied as man from God others as life from the body,...that is death.

Some kid who plays with the body or believes torture of the body is the objective of combat, has simply been used as material fodder to advance somebody else's agenda. He might do it out of his own curiousity, but that immediately telegraphs that he's fighting for something material rather than for principle.

In organized warfare, that might be required to fight as a unit, but never should one become more preoccupied with death than with controlling the enemy. That might imply death, it might imply targeting the enemy for destruction and death, but once dead, the body is simply another material lump.

Infatuation with that lump of dirt, the body, after death is frequently performed by those who don't comprehend life. They become infatuated with the body, instead of obedience to righteousness and controlling their will.

This is one of those little truisms, like units that leave trash in their fighting positions are undisciplined in combat,...or those who fail in immediate obedience to orders will suffer on the battlefield....or in this case,,...somebody who tortures animals will also display lack of respect for their fellow man,...those who gossip about their peers will gossip about and stab their friends in the back. In this case, any inkling of desecrating a body, crapping on it, photographing it with little signs on it,...is indicative that somebody has the maturity level of a third grader and isn't to be trusted in affairs requiring manly maturity. I.e. don't trust him with an M-60 as your base of fire, ...don't trust him as point man,...he's not in the right place.

Now another point. In combat, just as in life, when placed in a high stress, high risk position, you're likely to be tempted.

You'll first get tempted with thoughts. before any action. Same with all life. Consequence in combat, is that one needs their full attention dedicated to insuring an immediate reaction to the first indication of battle, time may equate to lost lives.

Doubt on the credibility of fellow service men in their capacity and assigned duties will lead to doubt and temptations during combat to question one's actual resources and cause unnecessary internal conflict.

The lesson is not to get involved with that sort of behavior. Recognize what one's fighting for and don't cause dissension. Yes there are rules against desecration.

After the battle, one might search for intel/information, being wary of boobytraps, but that's not the same as pillaging and foraging for valuables.

David may have decapitated Goliath to show the enemy had been killed. We probably should have decapitated Osama bin laden to show the world he was dead,..but not out of macabre desecration.

In this upsoming war, more than many in our recent past, good and evil are going at odds against one another. Those who don't understand good and evil are going to get misled by those who are evil rendering appearances of human good. Those who are righteous in one area, are going to be demonized by other areas by human dogooders. Even amongst those who are evil, there is going to be confusion between discernment of cause and every lust imaginable.

America is going to get targetted and I suspect in not all the evil places.

If somebody doesn't know Scripture or hasn't read the Bible once,...you need to pick it up and read it while you have the chance to learn in peace how to discern good from evil.

Our threats are not merely external, but many internal, domestic enemies of the Constitution lay in wait. Cover your six and let's cover each others'.

Semper Fi.

430 posted on 02/11/2003 6:11:30 PM PST by Cvengr
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