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To: Byron_the_Aussie
It is this sort of the thread that really sickens me. I was a lurker on FR a full year before I signed up and started posting. I have been here now for about 4 years. I signed up because Clinton so sickened me that I needed a release. The mainstream media covered for him and dismissed things he did or said that would have been major gaffes, scandals, or cause for impeachment for any GOP president.

On this sight I found a largely conservative and Republican crowd that likewise was sickened by Clinton. When Clinton killed a night watchmen in Sudan at an Aspirin plant the day Monica testified (and completely without the support of the CIA, The JOint Chiefs, the state department, or anyone) this sight was up in arms with righteous indignation. And rightly so.

We used to make fun of Democrats who would sell out every principle they had to support Clinton. I never thought I would see that among Freepers. But with a GOP President I see the same blind partisan toadying and sycophancy on this sight that I thought only Paul Begala and James Carville could display. I also see a total jettisoning of normal moral decency when it comes to anything to do with the "war on terrorism" or the upcoming war with Iraq. The same freepers who railed against Clinton's Kosovo bombing now label anyone who questions Bush's war aims as "traitors" or worse.

If federal officers were caught with photographs of themselves next to a pile of smoldering corpses from Waco Freepers would be up in arms. If Marins in Kosovo were sawing off Serb fingers and crapping on the bodies this site would be enraged. What is imoral is imoral. I am disgusted by the hypocirscy and double standards many freepers have displayed since the election of Dubya and espicially the 9/11 event.

296 posted on 02/10/2003 11:08:55 PM PST by Burkeman1
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To: Burkeman1
Overdue for something, but will be back to respond to your thoughtful post in full a little later. Best regards, By.
299 posted on 02/10/2003 11:14:55 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (Hey Kellog's : hands off OUR chocolate crackles!)
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To: Burkeman1
Your post is not clearly defined. Tell us your objections in a clear way. What is it exactly that you have against the regime change in Iraq, if you please.
300 posted on 02/10/2003 11:16:12 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: Burkeman1; Byron_the_Aussie
Consider the posts and how they're phrased.

The method is endemic of Clinton's method to corrupt his opposition.

Attempt to play one side against the other and then intervene as though a benevolvent moderator.

Note the accusation is made that socialists are accusing the sniper of fabricated charges. Blatently false,...sniper was accused and alleged of criminal behavior.

Next an extreme stance is taken, supposedly patriotic,...patriotic to a point of extremism and lunacy, but very argumentative.

next, just wait for anybody to chime in to correct. Toss in a few expletives,...

Then attack as not being patriotic, lack of experience, yada, yada, yada,

Note also the desire to obtain names and addresses.

Objective: appears to be to foment internal debate and division.

My take...Maybe the same guys who falsely accuse the sniper are the same guys condoning atrocities. They fit the mold.
IMHO, I begin to suspect these may be domestic enemies of the Constitution.
303 posted on 02/10/2003 11:20:35 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: Burkeman1; Cvengr; OldCorps
..what is imoral is imoral. I am disgusted by the hypocirscy and double standards many freepers have displayed since the election of Dubya and espicially the 9/11 event...

I understand exactly what you are saying and many others have expressed the same sentiment to me, either via Freepmail or on the Forum. And as we both know hundreds if not thousands of Freepers have departed or been driven out by that factor.

However, it has always been a problem. If you go back four or five years ago you'll remember Rodham and her cohorts used to call us 'Clinton haters.' And a lot of us were, and there was nothing wrong with that. What kind of person doesn't despise the Clintons? But in amongst those who legitimately displayed that contempt, there were some who wanted to display any contempt. There is a certain kind of personality that gets off on an overt display of online hate. A cyber Corporal Perry, if you will. And many of them have been legitimised by 911, in a sick way. It's somehow okay now, to hate Arabs, in their sick minds. Most of them don't give a stuff about the WTC and the people who suffered and died there, excepting for the opportunity it gives to exercise their hate. 'Nuke Mecca!' 'Wrap 'em in pigskin!'

My thoughts are, we should calmly and rationally counter them, wherever possible. I can't speak for the moderators but I don't think they're sympathetic to the haters. A lot of posts have been pulled. And here's JR's thoughts, on right and wrong:

The Democrat Party is thoroughly corrupt. There is no question about that, but it's way beyond corrupt. It's also evil. Waco was evil. The killing of innocent men, women, children and babies is evil. Torturing them for weeks on end, gassing them, and then burning them alive is pure evil. This was perpetrated by a corrupt and evil Democrat Administration and covered-up by corrupt and evil Democrat Congressmen and Senators, many of whom you are saying should be allowed to remain in office even today. And as bad as that is, it pales in comparison to the Democrat government sanctioned and funded wholesale slaughter of the most innocent life of all, the murder of innocent human life in the womb...I love my country. I love the Constitution. I love life. I love God.

I'm in perfect synch with those sentiments and my guess is you three are too. JR doesn't post as much as he used to, which is a bit of a shame, because he was a sort of a moral keel for the place. Anyway, I guess I'm rambling, but the point is it's up to posters like ourselves to confront these haters and sickos and military phonies on the Forum generally, just as we have here. Judging by my Freepmail there are plenty of posters who have had enough of them and would rally to our standard. I take heart from the way the balance steadily shifted on this thread, as calm and authoritative posters joined in and the sickos became shriller and even more hysterical. Let's repeat that elsewhere? All the best, By.

314 posted on 02/11/2003 4:17:10 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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