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Canadian sniper cleared of desecrating al-Qaeda body
National Post ^ | February 8, 2003 | Stewart Bell

Posted on 02/08/2003 10:11:24 AM PST by Clive

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To: sit-rep
"Are you? or did the state just get another 50 bucks in the kitty?"

The law calls for a fine, I think the death penalty for speeding is a bit harsh, don't you?

"Ya, right..."

Brilliant answer, but it doesn't change the fact that it happens all the time.

"...in accordance with the current mood. Let's keep it in proper perspective."

No, in accordance to the current latitudes allowed by the law.

"Ummmmm....well, basically, I do not see our "Famed" republicans doing a bangup job in rolling back all the damage the Clinton Administration did to our "Laws". Infact, I do not know of one thing the republican majority has done to restore proper law to the system???"

Well, a little meat and potatoes finally.

Throw something a little more concrete up in the air, and let's talk about it.

And since you are applying moral relativism to this case, I get to do the same.

OK?

"No. If you see someone sellin' dope to a highschool kid, shoot first and ask questions later IMHO. But, if someone is selling dope to an adult, go after the Cartel. Perry, did not cut the finger off of a highschool kid."

Moral relativism again?

You would do that of course, because you know that the code of honor of that drug dealer would never allow him to sell to minors...right?

BTW, if there were no drug users in the US, would there be cartels in Colombia?

"You're right here... I think our fight for perfection should be found elsewhere..."

I only live here.

461 posted on 02/11/2003 8:28:45 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: sit-rep
I'll elaborate.

You take the stance that because of the good this soldier had done in the past, his transgression should be overlooked.

Well, how does this sound to you?

"Because of his years of loyal service in the US Senate, we should not prosecute Senator _____ for the crime of _____."

Or maybe

"The damage that the system would sustain from the persecution of an outgoing president by an incoming president is not worth the results."
462 posted on 02/11/2003 8:33:15 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
This man swore an oath to serve, and should have been aware that what he may have been doing was wrong

What he may done and what he actually did NOT do are two different issues.

What does the law say?

Case dismissed MCpl Perry.

463 posted on 02/11/2003 8:33:24 PM PST by Aura Of The Blade
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To: Aura Of The Blade
I know the outcome, I can read.

What's being discussed now is a theoretical.

Some believe that he should not have been charged, even if actually guilty.
464 posted on 02/11/2003 8:36:26 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
missed my point on the drug dealer. If he was selling to an adult, I focus on the bigger fish. And no, if there were no demand, there would be no supplier.

Brilliant answer, but it doesn't change the fact that it happens all the time.

I disagree. It happens with freedom of speech issues with the homos and the femmies. Can't say that any recent second amendment issues stick out of the crowd.

Throw something a little more concrete up in the air, and let's talk about it.

Short of starting a new thread for this Luis, you can honestly say the Republicans measure up to all ...ummm, most of our expectations?

Aside...

I only live here

...this does not sound like you.

If you respond, I'll catch it in the AM. Hittin' the rack...

SR

465 posted on 02/11/2003 8:40:44 PM PST by sit-rep
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To: sit-rep
"missed my point on the drug dealer. If he was selling to an adult, I focus on the bigger fish."

When picking oranges, do not discard the ones that happen to fall into your hands.

"It happens with freedom of speech issues with the homos and the femmies."

Doesn't seem that anyone is restricting your speech here.

"Short of starting a new thread for this Luis, you can honestly say the Republicans measure up to all ...ummm, most of our expectations?"

I have realistic expectations s-r.

"...this does not sound like you."

Meaning that this is the only place where I live, and the only place that I concern myself with.

Goodnight.

466 posted on 02/11/2003 9:10:46 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You take the stance that because of the good this soldier had done in the past, his transgression should be overlooked

Your analysis is flawed. Nothing was overlooked as there was never any trangression on the part of MCpl Perry to begin with. His using foul language in earshot of a Chaplain (which was not directed at him) was insensitive, but is certainly not uncommon when soldiers are venting or hanging out with their buddies.

Furthernore, the Chaplain was well aware that infantrymen often use foul language and engage in behavior normally associated with being in the army. His failure to take this into consideration set in motion the intervening events that led to the investigation and absurd allegations. Thus it is the Chaplain who should rightly bear responsibility and be reprimanded for his calousness and clear lack of compassion directed toward MCpl Perry from the outset.

467 posted on 02/11/2003 9:16:47 PM PST by Aura Of The Blade
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To: Aura Of The Blade
My post was a response to sit-rep's question.

Please take the time to actually read the post that I was responding to before commenting on my response.
468 posted on 02/11/2003 9:19:19 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Aura Of The Blade
Here's the post that I was refering to:

So what you're saying is, this guy, no matter that he saved many American lives, should be put in prison for cutting off a finger of a dead enemy soldier? Is this what you are saying Luis?

446 posted on 02/11/2003 10:29 PM EST by sit-rep

469 posted on 02/11/2003 9:22:35 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
When picking oranges, do not discard the ones that happen to fall into your hands.

It's a bit of a stretch and slightly off topic. I fail to see any moral relevance between a dead digit and smearing a Solider home from a far away land.

Thats what this comes down to and the Canuk Leftists will have a field day with this guy.

Not Guilty!

470 posted on 02/11/2003 9:28:26 PM PST by pad 34 (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum)
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To: pad 34
Please follow the debate, my response had nothing to do with the Canadian soldier.

471 posted on 02/11/2003 9:35:15 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Louis, I read the whole thing.

My point is we do have bigger fish to fry here and this Guy's Goose is already cooked. In some respects we're giving the leftist more ammo.

Interesting thread though, got to go.

Goodnight!
472 posted on 02/11/2003 9:58:33 PM PST by pad 34 (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum)
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To: Clive
I have never seen a thread run so deeo (472 whei I wrote this).

Can we all please try to remembet that this soldier was acquitted.

As a result of his having been (wrongly it turns out) charged with this offence, Canada would not allow him to accept a Bronze Star awarded by the United States. (Five Bronze Stars were awarded to Patricias during this deployment, his was one of them.)

I suspect that the political consequences of the beating death of a teenage infiltrator at Belet Huen are still reverberating through DND Headquarters leading them to be somewhat too astute to charge this soldier.

Committing indignities on dead enemy soldiers is an affront to morality and to the laws and usages of war.

But every affront has an exception for operational necessity and some on this thread have brought this aspect into consideration in their observations that in this war we are often dealing with fanatics.




473 posted on 02/12/2003 12:50:51 AM PST by Clive
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To: marshmallow
..self-righteous condemantion, delivered from afar rings hollow...

Now just hang on a minute Marshmallow.

Since when is it 'self-righteous' to say something is wrong, by an independent code? I'm not saying, 'I'm perfect', but I know Perry isn't, either. All your talk about relativity, and how it's small on the scale of evil doesn't detract from the fact that interfering with corpses is WRONG.

474 posted on 02/12/2003 1:36:42 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: sneakypete
..he was most likely charged with something similiar to "conduct unbecoming a soldier",or some such nonsense...

'Conduct unbecoming' is not nonsense.

This is the heart of the problem. Everyone thinks the rules are for someone else.

475 posted on 02/12/2003 1:38:52 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: sneakypete
..it was the COMMUNISTS who terrorized the civilian population....

No.

Our side did it too, especially the ARVNs.

476 posted on 02/12/2003 1:40:08 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: sneakypete
..you've been around a long time and are usually reasonable,and you are totally in another solar system with this nonsense...

That's exactly my thoughts about the way you're conducting yourself on this one.

Are you going to give a free pass to American soldiers, who run around cutting off fingers and posing Iraqi dead for pictures, in the coming war? Do you want the US Army to become known for that, or do you want to come down hard on the Perrys *now*, so that the message gets out? And I won't even touch on your repulsive and completely unnecessary blasphemy, which is doing enormous damage to your hitherto positive reputation here.

477 posted on 02/12/2003 1:48:30 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: sneakypete
.not a single one of the people you mentioned knew squat about guerilla warfare,or ever fought as unconventional soldiers...

Neither did Perry, so let's stick to the facts.

478 posted on 02/12/2003 1:50:10 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: mosby
..by the way I loved your statement some time back that Aussie soldiers would never engage in this type of conduct..

I never made that statement, Mosby.

479 posted on 02/12/2003 1:54:18 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: mosby
..so tell me, Byron, you sanctimonious jackass, how is Morant viewed in your beloved Australia?...

You will hear every view in the spectrum, from patriot and sacrificial lamb, to war criminal. My view, he was a good poet, and horseman. But I find it indicative of your desperation that you have to go back to the Boer War to find an Australian serviceman to slander, Mosby.

480 posted on 02/12/2003 2:00:13 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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