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Geologists investigate Trojan battlefield
BBC NEWS ^ | 02/07/03 | N/A

Posted on 02/07/2003 9:52:05 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

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To: TigerLikesRooster; blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; StayAt HomeMother; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
A Blast from the Past (early 2002). Thanks TigerLikesRooster.

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21 posted on 08/17/2005 10:53:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for all the pings to such interesting subjects the past few days.


22 posted on 08/17/2005 10:59:24 PM PDT by Blue Champagne (Quomodo cogis comas tuas sic videri?)
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To: Blue Champagne

my pleasure.


23 posted on 08/17/2005 11:12:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Did they by chance find the fossilized snakes that killed Laocoon and his sons?

(couldn't help it ... my tag line has been the same forever..)


24 posted on 08/18/2005 4:14:04 AM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
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To: gobucks

No, but the did find 4000 empty small square tinfoil packages.


25 posted on 08/18/2005 4:17:41 AM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: SteveH
I wonder if it was man made erosion (as in, logging forests) which caused the bay to fill.

Bush's fault. Women and children most severely impacted. Little Tommy Daschle "gravely concerned." Michelle Sheehan plans protest outside Crawford ranch. "I didn't raise my son to silt over beach front property for Haliburton." SecState Rice says, "No comment."

U.S. Army Corps of Engineers considers dredging area to restore historic battle plain. Dems plan tax hike to pay for dredging operation.

Arabs blast plans to allow infidels to dredge their fourth holiest site in all the world... vow to continue resistance.

26 posted on 08/18/2005 6:57:00 AM PDT by night reader (NRA Life Member since 1962)
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To: Little Bill
Neat map, but the Greeks chose a strange place for a seige camp.

I don't know if the location was that strange. Consider that the Greek galleys would be beached & vulnerable to counterattack. By siezing a defensible peninsula you protect you ships & supply lines back to Hellas.

Britain & France did much the same thing at Normandy.

27 posted on 08/18/2005 7:38:07 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Tallguy
Ooops! Meant to say Britain and the US (with Canada, too)...
28 posted on 08/18/2005 7:40:54 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: AnAmericanMother

I often wondered if the remaining Trojans might have been the origin of the Phillistines or sea people who simply fled down the coast as refugees.


29 posted on 08/18/2005 8:01:59 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: wildbill

Hey, they founded Rome! Just ask Publius
Vergilius Maro!< g >


30 posted on 08/18/2005 8:10:27 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: wildbill

I always thought that the Phillistines were the same as the Phoenecians. I don't know if that is an established link, or just the Theory-of-the-Day.


31 posted on 08/18/2005 8:12:06 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: capitan_refugio
Since Paris was a sexual predator who had his way with Helen, I suspect that the NCAA will ban the use of Trojan as a school mascot and the ACLU will bring suit against the condom makers as well.

Maybe we can capture and hac the hackers for unleashing their Trojan worms, viruses, and spams as well!!!

BTW Schliemann was a business man who made his fortune as an arms dealer during the Crimean war. Being classically trained he had read the Illiad and Odessey as a youngster. With his fortune made, he gave the business to his son and went off to Asia Minor to look for Troy. With the Illiad as his only source document he searched the NW plains of Turkey and found the Hill of Hisarlik. It contained Byzantine ruins on its crest. Having read of the archelogical techniques of the first modern archeologist, one Thomas Jefferson, he dug trenches through the Hisarlik hill and found 11 layers of cities reaching back to the Stone Age. His guess was the 7th city from the top was "Troy". Ther was much ash to suggest that this was the Troy of the Illiad which had been sacked. Many have argued this finding saying that the 8th layer not 7 is Homeric Troy, and the beat goes on.

When he first arrived in Turkey he spoke with farmers and asked if any artifacts had ever been unearthed during plowing season. Artifacts were show which suggested the Battle Field! One farmer brought him to a small Greek burial temple where the podium at the base of some columns had the greek inscription, ACHILLES! He knew he was in the right area!

32 posted on 08/18/2005 8:28:20 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: TigerLikesRooster

33 posted on 08/18/2005 8:28:39 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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To: Tallguy; SunkenCiv

You are correct about the Phonecians being considered the direct forefathers of the Phillistines. There are numerous references in ancient writings of 'the sea people.' along the eastern mediterranean shores.

I've always wondered if the wandering Phillistine/Phonecians might have migrated from further north--but I'm sure that this has been investigated through the archeological evidence of pot sherds and other artifacts. I bet sunkenciv knows and will give us the straight dope.


34 posted on 08/18/2005 8:29:48 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: Tallguy; wildbill

The Phoenicians were Semitic, and the Philistines were something else again. Hurrian names are found in the textual references to the Philistines (who AFAIK left no archives that have been found).


35 posted on 08/18/2005 9:25:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: Eternal_Bear

The Persian Wars took place between 490 (Battle of Marathon) - 449 B.C. (Peace at Callias) hardly the 800 years you refer to.

And the Persian Wars (invasions of the West) are not myths.


36 posted on 08/18/2005 9:44:52 AM PDT by eleni121 (ual9fyiung for student aid nd taking clleg level course at the same time!)
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To: Tallguy
I think that the camp was probably closer to one of the river mouths. If I remember my Homer correctly the Greeks had a fortified camp, near the city.

Eberhard Zannger, a Geoarchaeologist has some interesting ideas on the subject, I corrisponded with him until my Ex threw my files away.

37 posted on 08/18/2005 1:54:39 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: Eternal_Bear

The story of the philosopher Xenophon is interesting in respect to Alexander's later conquests. Philosophers in those days didn't just sit and think.


38 posted on 08/18/2005 1:59:43 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Yes, I love this stuff. Please put me on your Ping list.

Personally, I believe the essence of the Epic Stories about Troy. All the characters may not have been real, but the basic tale probably was and some at least, of the characters were.

There are also those mysterious references in the Hittite Archives of about the same period about a king whose name sounds a like "Alexander" a city which sounds alot like "Illion", and an invading people attacking the northwestern part of the Hittite allied states, which would put them near the area of Troy. Those people are referred to in the Hittite archives under a name that sounds suspiciously like "Achaeians".


39 posted on 08/18/2005 2:07:21 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: RightWhale
The story of the philosopher Xenophon is interesting in respect to Alexander's later conquests. Philosophers in those days didn't just sit and thi

I think Xenophon went on the expedition as a reporter but when the Greek generals were murdered at a truce, he was elected one of the chief generals along with a Spartan.

One of the better adventure tales of all time and a prelude to Alexander's conquests imo.

40 posted on 08/18/2005 2:15:00 PM PDT by yarddog
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