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Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Blame Mexican society for crimes being committed? If Americans were fleeing somewhere (not bloody likely, but work with me) would it be our fault? Suing the Mexican government for illegal immigrants is no different from the demand for slavery reparations.

What difference does it matter if the crimes were horrible or minor? The point is that the process was flawed. I hate people who hate the Constitution, whether they be on the right or left. If evidence was obtained illegally, or if a confession was beaten out of someone, the "evidence" is null and void, as is any conviction obtained with it. If we can end protections for these sorts of things when it is convenient, why can't the liberals take my gun?

If evidence was obtained illegally, or if a confession was beaten out of someone, the "evidence" is null and void, as is any conviction obtained with it.

The answer to this is obvious. That is presently the law. That is not affected one way or the other by any treaty, that is our system. If someone can prove that the evidence is tainted, the guy gets a new trial. But thats not what we are talking about here. We are talking about a new trial just because someone failed to call the embassy.

I think the burden of proof should be on the convicted, and upon the Mexican embassy, to show that notifying them would have changed the outcome of the trial. If it would have, then he gets a new trial. But the burden of proof is on them, not on the prosecutor.

If this can be demostrated convincingly in any of the cases, then people may be more inclined to take the issue seriously. I would say that, if they are serious, they should get busy looking for a good test case.

Well, why now? Why wait until now to raise a stink about consular representation? The trial is over. Way over. Why wait until Mexicans cross the US border illegally and then commit felonies before they suddenly care about the rights of Mexicans? Has Mexico raised a travel advisory to Mexican citizens thinking about going to the US? I haven't heard about one. Would it stop illegal immigration anyway? And don't trivialize the effect on victims of violent crime. The seriousness of the crime does matter. Surely the Constitution never intended to deny people the right to relief if they are harmed and I am referring to the victims of their dasterdly deeds.

As for personal responsibility, these criminals apparently didn't act very responsibly when they got here. Nor did they consult their own gov't or ours before they crossed the border. They're invaders...infiltrators. You are suggesting we release them or commute their sentences on a technicality that their lawyers apparently made no issue of at the time of trial. Maybe because they are here illegally, they don't have the right to consular representation anyway. And how do you know these lawyers were public defenders?

One KEY point, the Gov. Org. of Mexico is ACTIVELY supporting their illegal emigrants!
They actually issue them supplies, such as food, water, blankets, and maps for the trip!

They have set up centers to inform the illegals how to vote, who to vote for, what bills to support, how to get more money from the U.S. "entitlement" programs, etc.
The goal being control over U.S. politics and more money sent back to Mex.

When a foreign power initiates a program designed to project it's will on another country as this one is, to change the course of events in that country, to loot the targeted country of resources, that is power projection and an act of aggression.
It is one thing when you are the victor settling the details of a past declared war, such as we are doing with Iraq.
It is quite another when you are attacking your "trading partner" as Mexico is doing to us.

This is in reality a type of invasion, not mere "poor immigrants seeking a better life".

Mexico is using the illegals as instruments of aggression, they want U.S. dollars and do not care how many "peasants" suffer to obtain them.

We are the "safety valve" for Mexico's corrupt Gov. Org., it's so much easier to send disidents over the border than to have to deal with them at home.
If the people of Mexico ever truly revolt against the corruption I will respect that, nothing is more "hard work" than overthrowing a corrupt regime.
Sneaking into the U.S. and taking a job at minimum wage is a lazy lout's vacation by comparison.

Now which do we see happen on a daily basis?