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Subject: All Queda Interview.... Scary?

> The following interview was conducted by a reporter
> for the Al-Jazeera network with the third-in-command
> of the Al Queda organization, Mr. Mohammed
> Al-Asuquf.
> Al-Asuquf's background is impressive; a doctorate
> in physics and masters in international economics.
> In
> the interview, he talks of Al Queda's plans with
> total
> detachment, with deep knowledge and an unshakeable
> commitment to his cause. This interview was sent to
> Abel-Bari Atwan, chief editor of Al Quds, an
> Arabic-language newspaper published in London, but
> was
> never printed, due to its highly revealing
> [inflammatory?]contents. A copy of the interview
> came
> to Foz-do-Iguacu, and was translated into Portuguese
> by a university professor in the city's Arab
> community. This is probably the only existing
> version
> of this interview not in Arabic.
>
> Al-Jazeera: What is the objective of the Al Queda
> network?
> Al-Asuquf: To destroy the Great Satan, that is, the
> United States and Israel.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Why?
> Al-Asuquf: The USA over the past 60 years has been
> impregnating [infecting] the world with its
> arrogance,
> greed and malfeasance.
> It is the incarnation of all that is evil. The
> people
> of this planet don't deserve this torture.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Isn't this view somewhat one-sided?
> Al-Asuquf: No; one only has to observe recent
> events.
> The disrespect of the Kyoto treaty; the case of the
> Permanent Court of International Justice, their
> inaction with regards to our Palestinian brothers;
> the
> financial greed and absurd speculations in Third
> World
> countries; the complete indifference to other
> oppressed people and countless other situations
> which
> all of the world's leaders well know. And on top of
> all that, the Bush doctrine of "shoot first and ask
> questions later." This is an unacceptable abuse and
> will therefore have very grave consequences.
>
> Al-Jazeera: But the isn't the development and
> influence of America the fruit of its own
> competence?
> Al-Asuquf: Competence in extortion, competence in
> subjugation, competence in lying. After the Second
> World War, the USA was the only industrialized
> country
> with its manufacturing infrastructure intact.
> Loaning
> money like a good loan shark, it ended up becoming a
> very rich and powerful country; however, its greed
> remained undiminished.
> Today, Americans live like Maharajas [King], wasting
> more than any other people, spending more than 880
> billion per year just on gambling. They've lost any
> notion of spiritualityand live in constant sin. With
> each passing day the USA demonstrates that it
> doesn't
> know how to live with other peoples; for this, it
> deserves destruction.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Wouldn't it be easier to simply
> assassinate
> President George Bush?
> Al-Asuquf: In the first place, it would do no good,
> other than turning him into a martyr. When you face
> a
> powerful enemy, the best strategy is not to kill
> him,
> but to make him lose his leadership due to his
> incompetence, and let him live to watch this unfold.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Does the Al Queda network have the
> military capacity to make war on the United States?
> Al-Asuquf: If we analyze history, we will see that
> all
> great wars, before they were started, were based on
> previously established concepts [of war].
> But if we observe well, we will see that these
> concepts and strategies came to nothing, since a new
> type of war was ultimately waged. An example is the
> construction of the Maginot line by the French
> before
> the First World War, which, in reality proved to be
> completely useless against the invading forces.
> Aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, and spy
> satellites will be useless in the next war.
>
> Al-Jazeera: American authorities hold more than
> 1,000
> people suspected of terrorism since September 11th.
> Won't this compromise Al Queda's plans?
> Al-Asuquf: Of those imprisoned, perhaps 20 to 30
> percent belong to Al Queda. Moreover, they are from
> the second echelon. We have more than 500 members of
> the first echelon and 800 from the second, inside
> the
> United States.
>
> Al-Jazeera: What do you mean by first and second
> echelons?
> Al-Asuquf: In the first echelon are Al Queda members
> who have been in the United States for more than 10
> years, many married with children. They have
> detailed
> knowledge of our plans and are just waiting for a
> phone call. They are also known as "sleepers." Those
> of the second echelon have arrived in the last five
> years and have no idea of plans.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Are even those who are married, with
> children, ready to die with their families?
> Al-Asuquf: Yes. All of them are ready to die. Long
> live
> September 11th..
>
> Al-Jazeera: What was September 11th to Al Queda's
> overall plans?
> Al-Asuquf: As a general step, it was just the
> beginning. It was a way of calling the world's
> attention to what is still to come.
>
> Al-Jazeera: How many members does Al Queda have?
> Al-Asuquf: In the first echelon, about 5,000; in the
> second, about 20,000, all over the world.
>
> Al-Jazeera: In the detention camp at Guantanamo, are
> there any members of the first echelon?
> Al-Asuquf: No, in fact, many of those there are not
> even Al Queda members.
>
> Al-Jazeera: How does Al Queda intend to destroy the
> most powerful nation in history?
> Al-Asuquf: It's a question of logistics. Using its
> own
> poison, that is, attacking the heart of what they
> consider the most important thing in the world:
> money.
>
> Al-Jazeera: How so?
> Al-Asuquf: The American economy is an economy of
> false
> appearances. There is no real economic ballast to
> the
> American economy. The American GDP of is something
> around 810 trillion, of which just 1 percent
> represents agriculture, and just 24 percent
> represents
> industry. Therefore, 75 percent of the American GDP
> is
> service and most of this is financial speculation.
> For those who understand economics, and it appears
> that the American Secretary of the Treasury, Paul
> O'Neil, doesn't or doesn't see it, it's enough to
> say
> that the USA acts like a huge "dot-com," and
> dollars,
> strictly speaking, are its shares.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Can you explain that?
> Al-Asuquf: The value of a company's shares is
> directly
> proportional to the profitability of the enterprise.
> When a business is just a service provider and
> doesn't
> produce any durable goods, the value of its shares
> depends on its credibility. Which is to say that if
> the credibility of the USA were shaken, its shares
> (the dollar) would fall with incredible rapidity and
> the entire American economy would begin to collapse.
>
> Al-Jazeera: How can you be so sure of this?
> Al-Asuquf: On a smaller scale, it's exactly what
> large
> financial groups do to the countries of the third
> world
> to reap profits in one month that Swiss banks
> couldn't
> get in four or five years.
>
> Al-Jazeera: So how will Al Queda shock the American
> economy to this point?
> Al-Asuquf: By provoking a deficit of between 850 and
> 870 trillion dollars, the equivalent of the United
> States' GDP for five to seven years.
>
> Al-Jazeera: How will this be done?
> Al-Asuquf: With the destruction of the seven largest
> American cities, along with other measures.
>
> Al-Jazeera: By what means will this be done?
> Al-Asuquf: Using atomic bombs.
>
> Al-Jazeera: With all of the security in the USA,
> how,
> hypothetically, will these bombs be smuggled onto
> American soil?
> Al-Asuquf: They won't be smuggled in, they're
> already
> there.
>
> Al-Jazeera: What are you saying?
> Al-Asuquf: There are already seven nuclear devices
> on
> American soil which were put in place before
> September
> 11th and are ready to be detonated.
>
> Al-Jazeera: How did they get in to the USA?
> Al-Asuquf: Before September 11, American security
> was
> a
> fiasco, and even after, were it necessary, we could
> manage to smuggle bombs into the United States. They
> entered through seaports, as normal cargo.
>
> Al-Jazeera: How is that possible?
> Al-Asuquf: A nuclear device is no bigger than a
> refrigerator; therefore, it can be easily
> camouflaged
> as one. Millions of cargo containers arrive in
> seaports each day, and no matter how efficient
> security is, it's impossible to check, search
> through
> and examine each container.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Where did these atomic bombs come from?
> Al-Asuquf: They were purchased on the black market.
>
> Al-Jazeera: From whom?
> Al-Asuquf: We bought five from the defunct Soviet
> Union and two more from Pakistan.
>
> Al-Jazeera: How is it possible to buy an atomic
> bomb?
> Isn't theresecurity?
> Al-Asuquf: Before 1989 it was practically
> impossible,
> however after the fall of the Berlin Wall, the
> Russian
> army began a process of self destruction, and some
> high generals began to lose their privileges,and
> therefore, highly susceptible to corruption. Even
> General Lebeb, now deceased, and Hans Blix, the head
> of the arms inspection commission of the United
> Nations, have stated this, notwithstanding denials
> by
> Russian Defense Minister Seguey Ivanov.
>
> Al-Jazeera: How much does a nuclear bomb cost?
> Al-Asuquf: Somewhere around 8200 million.
>
> Al-Jazeera: How did Al Queda get this money?
> Al-Asuquf: We have numerous sponsors.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Who are they?
> Al-Asuquf: There are a number of countries which
> support us, and also numerous wealthy individuals.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Are all of these countries Arab?
> Al-Asuquf: No, there are some European countries as
> well which have an interest in the fall of the USA.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Who are these wealthy individuals?
> Al-Asuquf: People who are also tired of watching the
> USA suck the wealth out of the rest of the world.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Is Saddam Hussein one of them?
> Al-Asuquf: You could say that he's just one of the
> collaborators, through Abdul Tawab Mullah Hawaish,
> his
> vice-prime minister and the person responsible for
> Iraq's arms program.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Are these atomic bombs powerful ones?
> Al-Asuquf: The five Russian devices are from the old
> T-3 missiles, also known as RD-107s, and their
> potency
> is
> something around 100 kilotons each, that is, 5 times
> as powerful as the Hiroshima bomb. The Pakistani
> bombs
> are less powerful, somewhere around 10 kilotons.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Can't the bombs be detected and disarmed
> by
> American authorities?
> Al-Asuquf: No, in spite of their age they've
> undergone
> modernization and are well hidden. Even if they
> were
> found, they have autodetonation provisions should
> anything get close to them. Even electromagnetic
> pulses
> would be incapable of deactivating them.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Don't they emit radiation? Can't they be
> detected?
> Al-Asuquf: No. They are wrapped in thick leaden
> cases.
>
> Al-Jazeera: A suspected Pakistani ship was recently
> searched and all that was found were lead bars. Does
> this have anything to do with the bombs?
>
> Al-Asuquf: Yes, however that lead was just an extra
> layer, and was not essentially necessary.
>
> Al-Jazeera: How will the bombs be detonated?
> Al-Asuquf: There are numerous methods, a cell-phone
> call, radio frequency, seismic shocks or by timer.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Once detonated, how many deaths will be
> caused by these bombs?
> Al-Asuquf: It depends, since our plans are very
> malleable.
>
> Al-Jazeera: So what is the entire plan?
> Al-Asuquf: The beginning will be the detonation of a
> nuclear device, which will cause the death of
> between
> 800 thousand and and one million peopleand create
> chaos on a scale never seen before. During this
> chaos,
> two or three cropsprayers that are now dismantled
> and
> stored in granaries [silos?] close to little-used
> highways in the countryside will take off on suicide
> missions to spray two or three large American cities
> with smallpox. That means that once the smallpox has
> been identified, all airports and seaports will be
> closed by quarantine. Land borders will likewise be
> shut down. Not one airplane, ship or vehicle will
> enter
> or leave the United States. This will cause total
> chaos. White House Press secretary Ari Fleischman
> will
> be very busy.
>
> Al-Jazeera: But the American government has
> guaranteed
> that within five days it could produce enough
> smallpox
> vaccine to inoculate the entire population.
> Al-Asuquf: There will be simultaneous suicide
> attacks
> against the vaccine production plants.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Which will be the first city?
> Al-Asuquf: The first city will be that in which
> optimal
> conditions present themselves, for example, clear
> skies, and winds of eight miles-per-hour or less in
> the direction of the country's center so that
> radioactive dust can contaminate the maximum
> possible
> area.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Will this attack annihilate the USA?
> Al-Asuquf: No. But the process will have begun. Who
> will buy food products from the United States
> knowing
> they may have been contaminated by radiation? Who
> will
> travel to the United States knowing the possibility
> of contracting smallpox? Who will continue to invest
> in
> American institutions? Just as with the World Trade
> Center, it will be simply a question of time before
> the entire economic structure collapses and turns to
> dust. If our objectives are reached with one bomb
> and
> the smallpox, probably we'll save the lives of
> others,
> however that's risky [unlikely?], and it's probable
> that six more bombs will be detonated, one per week,
> and other attacks with chemical weapons will be
> carried out.
>
> Al-Jazeera: How many innocent people will die?
> Al-Asuquf: According to estimates made by me and
> Ayman
> Al-Zawahiro, somewhere around 15 million due to the
> atomic bombs and their radiation. Of those exposed
> to
> smallpox, 25 percent will die, approximately five
> million, and many more due to the ensuing chaos and
> disorder.
>
> Al-Jazeera: What about the American military
> response?
> Al-Asuquf: There will practically be none. Even if
> five or ten cities were chosen at random to be
> destroyed, that would still be a small price to pay.
> The problem is the economic despair will be so great
> that even economizing by not using arms
> unnecessarily
> will occur, since the liquidity of American goods
> will
> be almost zero and at that point the United States
> will
> make more selling its Nimitz-class aircraft
> carriers,
> which cost about five billion dollars, to Turkey or
> Italy for one billion dollars, since the country
> will
> so urgently need to recapitalize, though it will be
> too
> late. Moreover, how will the morale of American
> soldiers be knowing that their entire families have
> died and their country no longer exists. Fight
> for what?
>
> Al-Jazeera: And won't the global economy also be
> ruined?
> Al-Asuquf: In the beginning it will be very
> difficult;
> a serious economic crisis will ensue. However,
> without
> the United States, the world will soon arise in a
> more
> just and fraternal manner.
>
> Al-Jazeera: And Israel?
> Al-Asuquf: As they say... it will be dessert.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Does bin Laden's spokesman, Sulaiman Abu
> Gheith, know that you are giving this interview?
> Al-Asuquf: It was he and bin Laden who suggested I
> give it.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Osama bin Laden is still alive?
> Al-Asuquf: He is quite healthy, alongside his
> commanders Mohammed Atef and Khalid Shaik Mohammed
> and
> Mullah Omar.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Aren't you fearful that Al Queda's plans
> will be discovered?
> Al-Asuquf: The plan is already in its countdown, and
> nothing can stop it.
>
> Al-Jazeera: Not even if the United States asks
> forgiveness and changes its attitudes?
> Al-Asuquf: That won't happen, and even if it did,
> it's
> too late.
>
> Al-Jazeera: When will the attack begin?
> Al-Asuquf: I can't reveal that. Allah Akbar.
>
>