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4 ways Columbia could have been saved. From NASA's Kennedy Space Center Home Page
NASA's Kennedy Space Center Home Page ^ | 04 February 03 | Mitchel Tighe

Posted on 02/04/2003 9:40:32 PM PST by Mitchel Tighe

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To: HairOfTheDog
The pizza was a good touch...
81 posted on 02/04/2003 10:39:55 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Chad Fairbanks
You need to push away from the computer once every few days. It's affecting your manners.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here that is well fed up with neanderthal reactions to any and everyone that doesn't jump on your "I've made my mind up already" bandwagon.
Everytime anyone tries to look or think outside the "box", they get character assassinations and made fun of until they are browbeat back into line.

And while I'm on the subject... this posting of join dates on members is about as mature as a fresh pile of cowcrap.
You can bet your bottom dollar that whoever does such a thing sure wouldn't like it if they joined up somewhere to contribute and got that kind of treatment.
You and your kind aren't doing FR any favors by behaving this way.
Maybe you need to go get your own board and see how fast it fills up with you reminding everyone that they just joined.

in essence: grow up already
82 posted on 02/04/2003 10:40:28 PM PST by ALS
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To: Mitchel Tighe
Very good thread!
83 posted on 02/04/2003 10:41:11 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: ALS
is this how we welcome people here now?
84 posted on 02/04/2003 10:41:45 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Mitchel Tighe
is this how we welcome people here now?

Of course not! Mitchel, would you like some pizza?

85 posted on 02/04/2003 10:43:51 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
are all your post of late pure, well nothings?
87 posted on 02/04/2003 10:44:23 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: TLBSHOW
I sure hope not.
If this is the welcome wagon, FR is in a heapa trouble.
Sadly, we have a rotating group of pouncers just waiting in the wings to strut their stuff at every opportunity.
88 posted on 02/04/2003 10:44:38 PM PST by ALS
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To: TLBSHOW
Define "of late".
89 posted on 02/04/2003 10:45:27 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: nvskibum
might the situation have been improved if the crew were instructed to toss out all unessential items

It might have helped, if they could have done it. As it was they had no way to go EVA. At best they could have put a very things out by donning their Orange flight suits, evacuating the shuttle crew compartment, then opening the hatch to the cargo bay...oops can't do that, the hatch is connected to the tunnel to the spacehab module and there is no way to jettison the module, which is what accoounts for most of the extra weight. It would have been nice if they could have jettisoned the "cargo" but they couldn't. Perhaps that should be a requirement for future flights, that is the ability to jetison whatever is in the cargo bay.

90 posted on 02/04/2003 10:45:36 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Fred Mertz
Fred I almost went to bed but I went and smacked down some rats first and I came back here and this looks like the rats I just smacked down!

Pretty sad
91 posted on 02/04/2003 10:46:09 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: HairOfTheDog
I can get your of late posts if you really want to see what I am telling you?
92 posted on 02/04/2003 10:46:58 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: HairOfTheDog
oops here is one.....

is it a picture of you?

93 posted on 02/04/2003 10:49:22 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: TLBSHOW; All
Y'all still at it huh??
94 posted on 02/04/2003 10:51:14 PM PST by Mo1 (I Hate The Party of Bill Clinton)
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To: Mo1
I see this is how we get and keep people here now?
95 posted on 02/04/2003 10:52:15 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
knock it off
96 posted on 02/04/2003 10:52:33 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Mitchel Tighe
Mitchel Tighe,Gosh nightty night Mitchel Tighe,you really suck at anserwing questions.
97 posted on 02/04/2003 10:52:52 PM PST by fatima
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To: Chad Fairbanks
He did the right thing and left in disgust! Wanna place the bet with me. I am ashamed of you.
98 posted on 02/04/2003 10:55:07 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: TLBSHOW
Yes?
99 posted on 02/04/2003 10:59:39 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Mitchel Tighe
This article in yesterday's Times was some really good reporting. It's a totally accurate rendition of what Dittimore specifically said at his Monday press conference. It responds to many of your points.

"HOUSTON, Feb. 3 — Even if flight controllers had known for certain that protective heat tiles on the underside of the space shuttle had sustained severe damage at launching, little or nothing could have been done to address the problem, NASA officials say.

Virtually since the hour Columbia went down, the space agency has been peppered with possible options for repairing the damage or getting the crew down safely. But in each case, officials here and at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida say, the proposed solution would not have worked.

The simplest would have been to abort the mission the moment the damage was discovered. In case of an engine malfunction or other serious problem at launching, a space shuttle can jettison its solid rocket boosters and the external fuel tank, shut down its own engines and glide back down, either returning to the Kennedy Space Center or an emergency landing site in Spain or Morocco.

But no one even knew that a piece of insulation from the external tank had hit the orbiter until a frame-by-frame review of videotape of the launching was undertaken the next day. By then, Columbia was already in orbit, and re-entry would have posed the same danger that it did 16 days later.

Four other possibilities have been discussed at briefings or in interviews since the loss of Columbia, and rejected one by one by NASA officials.

First, repairing the damaged tiles. The crew had no tools for such a repair. At a news conference on Sunday, Ron D. Dittemore, the shuttle program manager, said that early in the shuttle program, NASA considered developing a tile repair kit, but that "we just didn't believe it was feasible at the time." He added that a crew member climbing along the underside of the shuttle could cause even more damage to the tiles.

Another idea, widely circulated on the Internet in the last few days, was that the shuttle could have docked with the International Space Station once the damage was discovered. But without the external fuel tank, dropped as usual after launching, Columbia had no fuel for its main engines and thus no way it could propel itself to the station, which circles the earth on a different orbit at a higher altitude.

"We have nowhere near the fuel needed to get there," said Bruce Buckingham, a spokesman at the Kennedy Space Center.Another shuttle, Atlantis, was scheduled for launching on March 1 to carry supplies and a new crew to the space station, and it is possible to imagine a Hollywood-type series of events in which NASA rushed Atlantis to the launching pad, sent it up with a minimal crew of two, had it rendezvous with Columbia in space and brought everyone down safely.

Atlantis is still in its hangar, and to rush it to launching would have required NASA to circumvent most of its safety measures. "It takes about three weeks, at our best effort, to prepare the shuttle for launch once we're at the pad," Mr. Buckingham said, "and we're not even at the pad."

Further, Columbia had enough oxygen, supplies and fuel (for its thrusters only) to remain in orbit for only five more days, said Patrick Ryan, a spokesman at the Johnson Space Center here.

Finally, there is the notion that Columbia's re-entry might have been altered in some way to protect its damaged area. But Mr. Dittemore said the shuttle's descent path was already designed to keep temperatures as low as possible. "Because I'm reusing this vehicle over and over again, so I'm trying to send it through an environment that minimizes the wear and tear on the structure and the tile," he said at his news conference on Sunday.

Today he added that he did not know of a way for the shuttle to re-enter so that most of the heat would be absorbed by tiles that were not damaged, on its right wing. "I'm not aware of any other scenarios, any other techniques, that would have allowed me to favor one wing over the other," he said.

Even if that had been possible, it would probably have damaged the shuttle beyond repair and made it impossible to land, requiring the crew to parachute out at high speed and at high altitude. He said there was no way managers could have gotten information about the damaged tiles that would have warranted so drastic a move.

Gene Kranz, the flight director who orchestrated the rescue of astronauts aboard the crippled Apollo 13 in 1970, said that from what he knew about the suspected tile damage, there was probably nothing that could have been done to save the flight. "The options," he said in a telephone interview, "were just nonexistent."

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100 posted on 02/04/2003 11:01:06 PM PST by YaYa123
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