I know ...LOL. By the way that sounds like what a dad would say before he spanked the daylights out of his naughty kid (LOL)
You just used a Nova story on America's JSF to drop in some Russian desgns that are basically "crap". The JSF is more advanced than even the F-15 which I am sure you'd agree would make quick work of the two Russian examples you listed.
If you read my comments you will notice i clearly said both the Yak designs were crappy ...and not even nearly as compatible. And i was comparing them to the harrier ....meaning against the F-15 or JSF they are even less than crap. Comeon VaB, give a dude a break
It was a laugher and everyone knew it. I know you know it...I'll assume you listed it as a cheesy example of incompetence when designing effective Vertical Takeoff and Landing aircraft.~
Yes, that is what i meant. Which is why i said it was not nearly as good as the Harrier.
Then you said: "Yak-141 Freestyle (Now this was an aircraft that was formidable..." Let me jump in here. No it wasnt! LOL...A harrier would destroy this plane. The Harrier can perform a million and one different functions at low speed...this russian crap cant. I appreciate their having a similar design as far using the rear nozzle as a lift but it was basically a huge gas guzzling VSTOL that could hit Mach. I have no doubt that it's agility was severely limited due to its size and feul requirements.
You were right that i said the following words: ""Yak-141 Freestyle (Now this was an aircraft that was formidable..... I did say them. But maybe you missed what i said after that. I said: However this aircraft, although it has the distinction of being the first supersonic VTOL jet, does not even come close to matching the JSF, meaning it is already obsolete ....unless it is facing Harriers. And even that is questionable because based on UK Falklands results British pilots were able to use the subsonic harriers to great effect .....and a harrier in the hands of a competent ...read UK or US ....pilot is still an extremely deadly aircraft Basically the only thing i saw of worth on that craft was its disticntion of being the first VTOL to go faster than sound. I actually believe i said it was already obsolete, had nothing to hold up to the JSF, and even against Harriers flown by UK or US would not hold up. I did not push it
Basically i was not trying to push any aircract (even the pictures of the F-22 and YF-23 were just there because i had mentioned them on the previous post). Everything tied in to what i was discussing, and if you read what i said there was nothing there that should make you think i was advocating Russian designs.
Unless my calling them 'obsolete' and 'not nearly as good' is somewhat to be taken as a push-tactic on my part. Gosh, if what you said about me was halftrue i think Sukhoi and Mikoyan would be paying me to sell there stuff! LOL
Come-on VaB ...you know this time i was not pushing.