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Professor's Snub of Creationists Prompts U.S. Inquiry
New York Times ^ | 2/02/03 | NICK MADIGAN

Posted on 02/03/2003 3:53:13 AM PST by kattracks

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To: Salgak
Self styled -- -- -- engineered (( man made )) science ==== evolution !
321 posted on 02/03/2003 2:58:04 PM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: Lurking Libertarian
... Christian evolutionists ...

Does that mean that they believe in a God who is not a Creator?

322 posted on 02/03/2003 2:58:26 PM PST by Theo
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To: f.Christian
I got it! I finally figured out whose writing yours reminds me of.

Mary Daly!

323 posted on 02/03/2003 2:59:32 PM PST by Under the Radar
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To: Right Wing Professor
Look, AG, here's the deal. If Dini is vulnerable to criminal prosecution, as you have been advocating, then so am I. And since you apparently think I should be thrown in jail, the 'thanks for your post' strikes me as just a teeny-weeny bit insincere. Why don't you save it for those you don't want to sic criminal prosecutors on?

This drivel from a PhD? I'm depressed. What has become of our state institutions of higher learning?

What you guys don't realize is that you open yourselves up to the same investigation of sincerity by the opposition.

BTW, are you posting on work time? Are you wasting our tax dollars defending your superstition when you should be exercising your bigotry against creationists on campus?

324 posted on 02/03/2003 2:59:48 PM PST by Dataman
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To: Theo
Me: ... Christian evolutionists ...

You: Does that mean that they believe in a God who is not a Creator?

No, it means they believe in a God who created life using the methods of natural law (inheritance, variation and selection) He created for that purpose. That is, in any event, what I (a Jew) believe.

325 posted on 02/03/2003 3:02:46 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Under the Radar
Mutual admiration society // cult of brainwashing ==== evolution !
326 posted on 02/03/2003 3:05:51 PM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: Alamo-Girl
Again, I am not advocating bringing criminal charges against bigots.

Apparently it doesn't matter how many times you repeat yourself. Certain evos won't acknowledge it. They are either mentally incapable of understanding your words or they prefer to make false charges rather than debate.

I hope the lurkers notice how close-minded, bigoted and irrational the opposition can be. I would expect, wouldn't you, that these defenders of what they call science would at least pretend to be intellectual?

327 posted on 02/03/2003 3:07:24 PM PST by Dataman
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To: Alamo-Girl
As an analogy - consider how you would feel if you were counting on my co-signature for a home loan and had already made arrangements in your life for that home and then I said to you, "I will not sign unless you disavow your religious beliefs."

That's not a threat and it's a very weak, if nonsensical, analogy. How you've decided this specific student was threatened by this specific professor is way beyond a stretch. It is, in fact, halluncinatory.

Fact is you want this professor removed and prosecuted because he's not a creationist. You don't care about the far-reaching consequences. You've marginalized yourself.

328 posted on 02/03/2003 3:07:32 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: Nebullis
Thank you for your post!

There's no threat in refusing a favor.

If a) Dini is not being paid by government funds and, b) if Dini's job description does not include writing letters of recommendation and, c) if Texas Tech is not receiving any government funds, and d) if letters of recommendation are not required for medical school - then the student's case will not prevail in civil court.

If either a) or c) are true then the government has a substantial interest in protecting the student's rights under the Constitution. If any of these are true, the student has good cause.

329 posted on 02/03/2003 3:10:38 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: f.Christian
Does that read as:
"'Mutual admiration society' divided by 'cult of brainwashing' equals 'evolution'"?

Or is it:
"'Mutual admiration society' does not equal 'cult of brainwashing' equals 'evolution'"?

Are these mathematical formulas? How did you arrive at them? Since few seem to understand you, why do you persist in posting them?

330 posted on 02/03/2003 3:11:01 PM PST by Under the Radar
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To: general_re
"Of course that's what you're proposing."

No, it's not. But what you're proposing is that state-funded universities should be able to seal off debate on certain issues because of non-fact based assumptions. If Darwinism is not allowed to be challenged, then it isn't science; it's faith.

And you, as I remember, are a libertarian!

331 posted on 02/03/2003 3:12:53 PM PST by HumanaeVitae (If the Constitution is a "Living Document", does anyone have his phone number? Address? Anyone?)
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To: Alamo-Girl
So, just so we can all be clear here. You believe that any student can walk up to any professor and demand a letter of recommendation for any reason, and the faculty member must give it, is that correct?
332 posted on 02/03/2003 3:13:09 PM PST by Under the Radar
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To: Alamo-Girl
Perhaps you would care to lay a small wager on the eventual outcome of this investigation? ;)
333 posted on 02/03/2003 3:13:18 PM PST by general_re (If you lend someone $20, and never see that person again, it was probably worth it.)
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To: Salgak
How, then, is your version of Christianity any different from the sharia of the Islamic world ??

Oh brother! A principled Christian is now a crazed terrorist? Here we go again. Does the dentist ever notice the footprints in your mouth?

334 posted on 02/03/2003 3:13:23 PM PST by Dataman
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To: Nebullis
Thanks for your post!

The fact that, often, reality is in conflict with certain religious beliefs is a problem for the student to resolve, not something to punt to the world around him.

This has nothing to do with the student's Constitutional rights. The kid has freedom of religion protected under amendments one and fourteen. Infringement of those freedoms is actionable in a court of law.

335 posted on 02/03/2003 3:14:06 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Theo
... Christian evolutionists ...

Does that mean that they believe in a God who is not a Creator?

Not at all. They just believe that God performed his creation in a manner consistent with observed data that indicates said creation proceeded iteratively over a long periood of time.

336 posted on 02/03/2003 3:16:20 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
That's not the point. How worried would you be if one of your grad students (I'm assuming you're a prof or some kind of academic) challenged imaginary numbers? Probably not much, since higher mathematics deals in proofs, and proofs are just that--proof.

There is plenty of controversy surrounding Darwinism not just from 'Bible-thumpers', but from serious scientists. But apparently this doctrine cannot be challenged because of institutional pressure best exemplified by this situation.

337 posted on 02/03/2003 3:16:58 PM PST by HumanaeVitae (If the Constitution is a "Living Document", does anyone have his phone number? Address? Anyone?)
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To: HumanaeVitae
But what you're proposing is that state-funded universities should be able to seal off debate on certain issues because of non-fact based assumptions. If Darwinism is not allowed to be challenged, then it isn't science; it's faith.

How, specifically, is this student being prevented from "challenging" the theory of evolution?

338 posted on 02/03/2003 3:17:16 PM PST by general_re (If you lend someone $20, and never see that person again, it was probably worth it.)
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To: Dataman; Catspaw
Thank you for your post, Dataman!

In an instance of delicious irony, right after you remarked:

Apparently it doesn't matter how many times you repeat yourself [that I am not advocating bringing criminal charges against bigots]. Certain evos won't acknowledge it.

catspaw posted this:

Fact is you want this professor removed and prosecuted because he's not a creationist.

Shaking my head now...

339 posted on 02/03/2003 3:18:40 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Infringement of those freedoms is actionable in a court of law.

That may be, but the question before is whether that applies in this case. Does an affirmation of scientific theory infringe on religious freedom? Surely not!

340 posted on 02/03/2003 3:20:21 PM PST by Nebullis
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