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Professor's Snub of Creationists Prompts U.S. Inquiry
New York Times ^ | 2/02/03 | NICK MADIGAN

Posted on 02/03/2003 3:53:13 AM PST by kattracks


LUBBOCK, Tex., Feb. 2 — A biology professor who insists that his students accept the tenets of human evolution has found himself the subject of Justice Department scrutiny.

Prompted by a complaint from the Liberty Legal Institute, a group of Christian lawyers, the department is investigating whether Michael L. Dini, an associate professor of biology at Texas Tech University here, discriminated against students on the basis of religion when he posted a demand on his Web site that students wanting a letter of recommendation for postgraduate studies "truthfully and forthrightly affirm a scientific answer" to the question of how the human species originated.

"The central, unifying principle of biology is the theory of evolution," Dr. Dini wrote. "How can someone who does not accept the most important theory in biology expect to properly practice in a field that is so heavily based on biology?"

That was enough for the lawyers' group, based in Plano, a Dallas suburb, to file a complaint on behalf of a 22-year-old Texas Tech student, Micah Spradling.

Mr. Spradling said he sat in on two sessions of Dr. Dini's introductory biology class and shortly afterward noticed the guidelines on the professor's Web site (www2.tltc.ttu.edu/dini/Personal/letters.htm).

Mr. Spradling said that given the professor's position, there was "no way" he would have enrolled in Dr. Dini's class or asked him for a recommendation to medical school.

"That would be denying my faith as a Christian," said Mr. Spradling, a junior raised in Lubbock who plans to study prosthetics and orthotics at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas. "They've taken prayer out of schools and the Ten Commandments out of courtrooms, so I thought I had an opportunity to make a difference."

In an interview in his office, Dr. Dini pointed to a computer screen full of e-mail messages and said he felt besieged.

"The policy is not meant in any way to be discriminatory toward anyone's beliefs, but instead to ensure that people who I recommend to a medical school or a professional school or a graduate school in the biomedical sciences are scientists," he said. "I think science and religion address very different types of questions, and they shouldn't overlap."

Dr. Dini, who said he had no intention of changing his policy, declined to address the question of his own faith. But university officials and several students who support him say he is a religious man.

"He's a devout Catholic," said Greg Rogers, 36, a pre-med student from Lubbock. "He's mentioned it in discussion groups."

Mr. Rogers, who returned to college for a second degree and who said his beliefs aligned with Dr. Dini's, added: "I believe in God and evolution. I believe that evolution was the tool that brought us about. To deny the theory of evolution is, to me, like denying the law of gravity. In science, a theory is about as close to a fact as you can get."

Another student, Brent Lawlis, 21, from Midland, Tex., said he hoped to become an orthopedic surgeon and had had no trouble obtaining a letter of recommendation from Dr. Dini. "I'm a Christian, but there's too much biological evidence to throw out evolution," he said.

But other students waiting to enter classes Friday morning said they felt that Dr. Dini had stepped over the line. "Just because someone believes in creationism doesn't mean he shouldn't give them a recommendation," said Lindsay Otoski, 20, a sophomore from Albuquerque who is studying nursing. "It's not fair."

On Jan. 21, Jeremiah Glassman, chief of the Department of Justice's civil rights division, told the university's general counsel, Dale Pat Campbell, that his office was looking into the complaint, and asked for copies of the university's policies on letters of recommendation.

David R. Smith, the Texas Tech chancellor, said on Friday afternoon that the university, a state institution with almost 30,000 students and an operating budget of $845 million, had no such policy and preferred to leave such matters to professors.

In a letter released by his office, Dr. Smith noted that there were 38 other faculty members who could have issued Mr. Spradling a letter of recommendation, had he taken their classes. "I suspect there are a number of them who can and do provide letters of recommendation to students regardless of their ability to articulate a scientific answer to the origin of the human species," Dr. Smith wrote.

Members of the Liberty Legal Institute, who specialize in litigating what they call religious freedom cases, said their complaint was a matter of principle.

"There's no problem with Dr. Dini saying you have to understand evolution and you have to be able to describe it in detail," said Kelly Shackelford, the group's chief counsel, "but you can't tell students that they have to hold the same personal belief that you do."

Mr. Shackelford said that he would await the outcome of the Justice Department investigation but that the next step would probably be to file a suit against the university.



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To: MEGoody
Define science.

Science is the method men use to discover the elements, nature, substance and age of his universe among other things, the opposite of faith which merely rubber stamps myth into reality. The real difference between science and religion is that those who fail to adhere to the tenants of religion are faced with either damnation or force of law, where science can always be challenged with facts.

161 posted on 02/03/2003 11:15:26 AM PST by TightSqueeze (From the Department of Homeland Security, sponsors of Liberty-Lite, Less Freedom! / Red Tape!)
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To: f.Christian
I have to admit, f.Christian, your posts don't make much sense to me. I guess I am just odd (or evil)-- I need verbs, perhaps, or an adjective or two. It must be my lack of faith.
162 posted on 02/03/2003 11:16:29 AM PST by Under the Radar
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To: MEGoody
Actually, the stars, sun and the rest of the universe do revolve around the earth. There are plausible theories that any reference point in the universe can be defined as the center.

Earth's gravity has an effect, however negligible, upon every other object in the universe.

Actually, it could be posited that I am the center of the universe.... Oh well, that might be for another thread.
163 posted on 02/03/2003 11:18:52 AM PST by mongrel
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To: Under the Radar
Thank you for your post but you are in error.

Creationists and people who believe that God is the intelligent designer are in direct conflict with Marxism. According to the Marxists themselves, Dialectical Materialism is their theoretical foundation:

The combination of Dialectics and Materialism. The materialist dialectic is the theoretical foundation of Marxism (while being communist is the practice of Marxism)...

But don't take my word for it; read all about it at the Marxists website!

164 posted on 02/03/2003 11:21:57 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Catspaw
Thank you for your post!

Where precisely is the discrimination?

To quote again the Supreme Court decision in Thomas v. Review Board (emphasis mine):

A person may not be compelled to choose between the exercise of a First Amendment right and participation in an otherwise available public program. It is true that the Indiana law does not compel a violation of conscience, but where the state conditions receipt of an important benefit upon conduct proscribed by a religious faith, or where it denies such a benefit because of conduct mandated by religious belief, thereby putting substantial pressure on an adherent to modify his behavior and to violate his beliefs, a burden upon religion exists. While the compulsion may be indirect, the infringement upon free exercise is nonetheless substantial The student is being indirectly compelled to violate his beliefs which is a burden upon religion and thus a substantial infringement on his free excercise rights.

167 posted on 02/03/2003 11:28:20 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: MEGoody
That seems a rather juvenile comment...

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A man walks into an office.

 

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              Mr. Bakely's free, but he's a little bit concilliatory.  No.

              Try Mr. Barnhart, room 12.

Man: Thank you.

 

He enters room 12.

 

Angry man: WHADDAYOU WANT?

Man: Well, Well, I was told outside that...

Angry man: DON'T GIVE ME THAT, YOU SNOTTY-FACED HEAP OF PARROT DROPPINGS!

Man: What?

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   STUFFY-NOSED MALODOROUS PERVERT!!!

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M: Oh...Sorry...

A: Not at all!

A: (under his breath) stupid git.

 

The man goes into room 12A.  Another man is sitting behind a desk.

 

Man: Is this the right room for an argument?

Other Man:(pause) I've told you once.

Man:  No you haven't!

Other Man: Yes I have.

M: When?

O: Just now.

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   Anyway, I did.

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O: Oh yes I did!                \

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M: Oh no you didn't!               \

O: Oh yes I did!                    \

M: Oh no you didn't!                 \

O: Oh yes I did!                      > very fast

M: Oh no you didn't!                 /

O: Oh yes I did!                    /

M: No you DIDN'T!                  /

O: Oh yes I did!                  /

M: No you DIDN'T!                /

O: Oh yes I did!                /

M: No you DIDN'T!              /

O: Oh yes I did!           ___/

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(pause)

 

O: Yes it is!

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(pause)

 

M: It's just contradiction!

O: No it isn't!

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O: No I didn't!

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O: Nonsense!

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(pause)

 

O: No it isn't!

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   (pause)

   I came here for a good argument!

O: AH, no you didn't, you came here for an *argument*!

M: An argument isn't just contradiction.

O: Well!  it CAN be!

M: No it can't!

   An argument is a connected series of statement intended to establish a

   proposition.

O: No it isn't!

M: Yes it is!  'tisn't just contradiction.

O: Look, if I *argue* with you, I must take up a contrary position!

M: Yes but it isn't just saying "no it isn't".

O: Yes it is!

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O: Yes it is!

M: No it isn't!

O: Yes it is!

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   the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.

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O: Thank you, that's it.

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M: But I was just getting interested!

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   minutes.

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   (pause... the Other Man raises his eyebrows)

   Oh Come on!

   Oh this is...

   This is ridiculous!

O: I told you...

   I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you PAY!

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O: Thank you.

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O: Well WHAT?

M: That was never five minutes just now.

O: I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!

M: Well I just paid!

O: No you didn't!

M: I DID!!!

O: YOU didn't!

M: I DID!!!

O: YOU didn't!

M: I DID!!!

O: YOU didn't!

M: I DID!!!

O: YOU didn't!

M: (unable to talk straight he's so mad) I don't want to argue about it!

O: Well I'm very sorry but you didn't pay!

M: Ah HAH!!  Well if I didn't pay, why are you arguing???  Ah HAAAAAAHHH!

   Gotcha!

 

O: (pause) No you haven't!

M: Yes I have!

   If you're arguing, I must have paid.

O: Not necessarily.

   I *could* be arguing in my spare time.


168 posted on 02/03/2003 11:29:42 AM PST by TightSqueeze (From the Department of Homeland Security, sponsors of Liberty-Lite, Less Freedom! / Red Tape!)
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To: Alamo-Girl
Thank you for your post but you are in error.

I find it hypocritical of those who attempt to deny that this is religious discrimination, when many of these same people cry religious indoctrination to merely acknowledge in schoolbooks that Darwininianism could be wrong.

169 posted on 02/03/2003 11:30:23 AM PST by AndrewC
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To: Alamo-Girl
The fact that your philosophy may differ does not mean that your methods are not the same.
170 posted on 02/03/2003 11:31:41 AM PST by Under the Radar
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To: N3WBI3
Doesn't make any difference. Fact is he didn't take the class. In order to be discriminated against on the basis of religion (or any other factor), he would've had to have taken the course and had to have something adverse happen to him because of his religion.
171 posted on 02/03/2003 11:31:43 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Alamo-Girl
Judeo-Christian Creationism/teleology = human nature.

Evolution/dialectical materialism = man as blank slate.

The assumption about the nature of man is the fundamental question of politics. It's why the question is so contentious...

173 posted on 02/03/2003 11:35:45 AM PST by HumanaeVitae (If the Constitution is a "Living Document", does anyone have his phone number? Address? Anyone?)
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To: Under the Radar
Evolution exists in a vacuum . . . reality void // shield - - - no entry -- exit !

I'm working on a new theory . . .

black holes are preliminary universes // star systems // people -- -- --

stretch mark // 'holes' // bubbles (( filling // brain // soul // philosophy hasn't formed // entered yet )) !
174 posted on 02/03/2003 11:35:50 AM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: Alamo-Girl
Looks like Thomas is a case involving a Jehovah Witness voluntarily terminating his employment, then being denied unemployment benefits. How this applies to a student who didn't take a class because he thought the professor wouldn't give him a letter of recommendation is murky at best.

http://www2.law.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/foliocgi.exe/historic/query=%5Bgroup+f_freedom+of+religion!3A%5D/doc/%7Bt81463%7D/hit_headings/words=4/pageitems=%7Bbody%7D
175 posted on 02/03/2003 11:39:18 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: HumanaeVitae
Actually, the idea that evolution leads to the "blank slate theory" is not quite correct.
176 posted on 02/03/2003 11:39:24 AM PST by Under the Radar
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To: AndrewC
Thank you so much for your post and for the very interesting observation! Indeed, it does seem rather one-sided.
177 posted on 02/03/2003 11:39:31 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: kittymyrib
By the way, answer this: how could incomplete male and female reproductive systems produce offspring?

I think that's a question for Michael Jackson.

178 posted on 02/03/2003 11:42:33 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Under the Radar
Thank you for your post!

The fact that your philosophy may differ does not mean that your methods are not the same.

Marxists and Capitalists may both use rifles in a conflict - but that doesn't make the Capitalist a Marxist (or vice versa.)

179 posted on 02/03/2003 11:42:38 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
The student is being indirectly compelled to violate his beliefs which is a burden upon religion and thus a substantial infringement on his free excercise rights.

Only if you believe that a letter of recommendation is an entitlement, sort of like a social promotion.

180 posted on 02/03/2003 11:42:40 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Every minute a man dies and one and one-sixteenth is born.)
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