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He takes fatal OD as Internet pals watch
NY Daily News ^ | 2 Feb 2003 | HELEN KENNEDY

Posted on 02/02/2003 6:33:21 AM PST by Georgia_JimD

He takes fatal OD
as Internet pals watch

Chatroom vultures egged him to pop more Rx pills

Daily News Exclusive


Brandon Vedas

"I told u I was hardcore."

Those were the last coherent words Brandon Vedas, 21, typed into the computer in his Phoenix bedroom as he showed off for Internet pals watching on a Web cam by swallowing more and more prescription drugs.

Vedas died online as a crowd of virtual onlookers egged him to "eat more!" A chilling record of the Jan. 12 chat reads like an Internet version of the notorious 1964 Kew Gardens, Queens, stabbing of Kitty Genovese as her neighbors watched from their windows.

In Vedas' case, some did try to help — begging him to stop, to call 911, to get his mother from the next room. After he passed out, some tried frantically to figure out his location while others argued against getting involved.

But the technology that brought as many as a dozen chatters into the intimacy of Vedas' bedroom was unable to tell them where he was. Internet Relay Chat is anonymous, and no one in the drug users' chat group knew the last name of the young man who called himself Ripper.

Vedas was a casualty of a new epidemic: a surge in the recreational use of pharmaceuticals, even as the rate of illegal drug use holds steady or declines. The most recent survey by the federal Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration says 11.1 million people used prescription drugs for fun in 2000, nearly half of whom were under 25.

In New York City, the number of people showing up in emergency rooms after taking too many legal narcotics jumped 47.6% from 2000 to 2001, the most recent year for which numbers are available.

"In 2001, for the first time, we had more emergency room mentions of prescription narcotic analgesics nationally than for heroin," said Dr. Westley Clark, director of the administration's Center for Substance Abuse Treatment.

In Internet discussion groups, users trade tips on how to fake symptoms to con a doctor into prescribing pain relievers, tranquilizers, stimulants and sedatives.

By his own account, bragging in the hour before he died, Vedas ingested large doses of Klonopin, Methadone, Restoril and Inderal, along with marijuana and 151-proof rum. All but the pot and the rum apparently were legally prescribed for him by a doctor and a psychiatric nurse, according to his angry and mystified family.

"It's the ideal situation — it's legal and it's free," said Vedas' brother Rich. "And most people assume that if a doctor is giving you something, it must be fine."

Vedas, who worked in computer support at the University of Phoenix, knew a lot about the dangers of mixing drugs. But he also bragged delusionally about his "high tolerance." His mother knew he had been prescribed pills for depression — but no one in the family knew he was mixing his medicine for fun, his brother said.

On the night of Jan. 12, Vedas urged chat pals to log onto his Web site and watch him go through his stash. "Bottoms up, fellas!" he crowed.

"Don't OD on us, Ripper," said one of the onlookers watching Vedas swallow pill after pill.

"That's not much," said a teenager from rural Oklahoma who calls himself Smoke2K. "Eat more. I wanna see if you survive or if you just black out."

In the macho atmosphere of the druggie chat room, Vedas seemed to have something to prove. "This is usual weekend behavior. U all said I was lying," he said.

He said it was safe and noted, "My mom is in the next room doing crozzwordz."

As he took more and more, Vedas' typing became disjointed. His chat pals cheered him on.

"Ripper — you should try to pass out in front of the cam," suggested one gleeful voyeur.

Vedas even tried to protect himself against disaster.

"In fase anything goe wrong," he said, typing his cell phone number. "Call if I look dead."

Soon, he did.

Soon, he was.

"I am online with 911. Is this the right choice?" asked one chatter. "NO NO NO NO NO," said another. "I talked my way out of it," came the reply. "I didn't give them any info."

In the end, there was nothing they could do.

Vedas' cell phone was off or not loud enough to rouse anyone else in the house. They looked up his Web site registry, but he had listed his home number as 555-1234.

And the online chatters didn't know his real name or location.

His mother found him at 1 p.m. the next day sprawled on his bed. The tech whiz's computer had shut down and locked itself automatically, so it wasn't until more than a week later that the family found out his death had had witnesses.

"It seems like the group mentality really contributed to it," said his brother, calling the transcript "disgusting."

"These people treat it like somehow it's not the real world," he said. "They forget it's not just words on a screen."



Originally published on February 2, 2003

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1 posted on 02/02/2003 6:33:21 AM PST by Georgia_JimD
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To: Georgia_JimD
Darwin nomination, anyone?
2 posted on 02/02/2003 6:39:17 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: IncPen
ping...

Darwin awards for all concerned ? Or just the dead one...
3 posted on 02/02/2003 6:40:21 AM PST by BartMan1
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To: Georgia_JimD
What a wonderful world.
4 posted on 02/02/2003 6:41:15 AM PST by ThinkingMan
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To: Georgia_JimD
This guy is a perfect example of why you can never extinguish illegal drug use. There is, at the core and in varying degrees, an insatiable attraction to things identified as harmful (as a means of "flipping off" society), an urge to self abnegation, a subliminal death wish -- and this case is simply an example of its logical extension.
5 posted on 02/02/2003 6:44:46 AM PST by WL-law
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To: BartMan1
Perhaps there should be a catagory for Darwin enablers.
6 posted on 02/02/2003 6:46:58 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Had to lock up my guns, 'cause they was goin' out drinkin'.)
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To: Georgia_JimD
"It seems like the group mentality really contributed to it," said his brother, calling the transcript "disgusting."

It seems to me like the stuff "Urban Legends" are created from, and will be used by the WOD'er's, the We-Know-What's-Best-For-You-Gang, and the notorious Pantie-Waist's in their further attempt to inhibit personal freedom and curb liberty.

7 posted on 02/02/2003 6:49:15 AM PST by TightSqueeze (From the Department of Homeland Security, sponsors of Liberty-Lite, Less Freedom! / Red Tape!)
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To: Georgia_JimD; carlo3b
"These people treat it like somehow it's not the real world," he said. "They forget it's not just words on a screen."

I think we all tend to think of others as 'just words on a screen' unless we really get to know someone, meet them, talk to them on the phone, they aren't real to us.

This is sad.

8 posted on 02/02/2003 6:52:23 AM PST by jellybean (The Clinton Legacy Cookbook- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1979763521)
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To: WL-law
There is, at the core and in varying degrees, an insatiable attraction to things identified as harmful (as a means of "flipping off" society), an urge to self abnegation, a subliminal death wish -- and this case is simply an example of its logical extension.

That is life pal, risk is inherent in all things, had this kid lived he would undoubtedly as an adult progressed to riskier endeavors like investing in the stock market.

Remember, no risk, no reward. Had this kid been given a healthy, aggressive, competitive outlet for his penchant for risk maybe he would be alive today. But if you think you can legislate behavior or morality, think again.

10 posted on 02/02/2003 6:57:27 AM PST by TightSqueeze (From the Department of Homeland Security, sponsors of Liberty-Lite, Less Freedom! / Red Tape!)
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To: WL-law
You're right...this kid would still be alive if drugs were legal. He wouldn't have felt the need to show off for his pals. Legalizing drugs is obviously the answer.
11 posted on 02/02/2003 6:59:06 AM PST by jellybean (The Clinton Legacy Cookbook- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1979763521)
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"It seems like the group mentality really contributed to it," said his brother, calling the transcript "disgusting."

And, where were you, Skippy?

12 posted on 02/02/2003 7:00:59 AM PST by TankerKC (If all else fails, blame it on a lack of patriotism.)
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To: Georgia_JimD
What kind of parent let's their kid sleep until 1PM the next day? My dad had my butt up early on the weekends. And he never would have tolerated me doing the chatroom stuff this kid did. Of course that was before the internet, home computers, or cable TV. It was a lot easier to keep a kid "straight". But I still cannot imagine allowing my kid to sleep that late without checking on him. It seems like a sign that the parents were not that involved with him in general.
13 posted on 02/02/2003 7:03:25 AM PST by SteamShovel
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To: Georgia_JimD
SUV's are involved somehow, I just know it.
14 posted on 02/02/2003 7:20:25 AM PST by putupon
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To: Georgia_JimD
It's the tolerance, stupid (just speaking generally). My dad and I have woken up during various operations we've had over the years. The anesthesiologist couldn't believe I woke up, while under the knife (I remember the experience but I remember feeling very detached, obviously). The expression on the anesthesiologist's face was priceless.

I'm not going to divulge which stage they were in, in terms of the surgery (not appropriate on this forum); however, my family seems to require much more anesthesia, in order for a successful operation.

I noticed the same thing with alcohol, while I was in college. I was playing board games with friends, on New Year's Eve 1997, and had, over the course of 3 - 4 hours drank 3/4 of a 1 liter (plastic) bottle of Black Velvet (mixed with 7-Up). I was totally coherent, at the end of the evening, although I had a **** of a headache the next morning, obviously.

None of these surgeries, by the way (four of them total, since I was born) were required as a result of alcohol consumption (either short-term or long-term).

I have jettisoned (thankfully and for the better) my moronic college days, since graduating, thank goodness. With the exception of a handful of times (all in college), I drink moderately.

Are there any folks here in the know, i.e., doctors, nurses, etc. who can explain this phenomenon? Why was I able to tolerate this much alcohol, with hardly any food in my stomach? Is it likely genetics, exclusively?

Thanks very much for any input you may wish to provide.

All the best...

15 posted on 02/02/2003 7:23:43 AM PST by tuna_battle
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To: Georgia_JimD
I forgot to mention that I'm 5' 8" and 143 pounds (height, weight, obviously a factor, you'd think).
16 posted on 02/02/2003 7:27:17 AM PST by tuna_battle
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To: Georgia_JimD
A guy I knew once called me, crying and threatening suicide and even fired the gun in his living room to "prove" he would do it.

"Give me one good reason why I shouldn't do it, " he implored.

"None of your clothes fit me."

Laughter put an end to that nonsense.

17 posted on 02/02/2003 7:28:12 AM PST by metesky
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To: TightSqueeze
It may be fodder for urban legends, but the incident itself is real (unless you're implying that the paper is lying). While it's important to point out that this stupid kid was abusing prescription drugs obtained legally -- and as a result that the story has little bearing on the War on Drugs -- it's important to be aware that this behavior does exist.

There are kids who have the same "more is better" macho attitude when it comes to drugs that you find in college-age binge drinkers. Teens can be extremely dumb, as we all know, and the problem is real.

I don't blame the Internet, but I do blame the parents and authorities who don't challenge these dangerous notions. Someone has to give these kids the message that what they're doing is dangerous, even if some of them won't listen. "Just say no" may be simplistic, but kids need to be told that, for their own sake, they can and should resist the kind of macho BS posturing that leads to this kind of pointless death.

18 posted on 02/02/2003 7:32:01 AM PST by Polonius
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To: Georgia_JimD
These people treat it like somehow it's not the real world

Other than it being over a computer, it doesn't seem that much different than many parties where people encourage each other to take drugs and drink to excess. Look at some frat parties where people OD on alcohol while being egged on by the others.

19 posted on 02/02/2003 7:32:09 AM PST by FITZ
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To: TightSqueeze
Good answer TightSqueeze....so basically some people feel if we legalize everything....the kid would have never taken drugs....That's not only nieve, but ridiculous...You can't legislate behavior, morality, common sense and decency...it's given and taught at home....
20 posted on 02/02/2003 7:38:17 AM PST by KLT (NY NEEDS TO BE CLINTONFREE!)
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