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F-15s & Sukhois in joint exercise
The Statesman ^ | January 28,2003 | Statesman New Service

Posted on 01/29/2003 6:47:49 PM PST by Destro

F-15s & Sukhois in joint exercise

Statesman New Service
NEW DELHI, Jan. 28. — A friendly joust between F-15 fighters of the United States and the Indian Air Force Sukhoi-30s? Such a possibility exists as the two countries are exploring the possibility of joint fighter exercises.

Reacting to reports from the USA, , a senior Air Force officer confirmed such a possibility. He said the exercise was yet to be finalised but the two air forces would be talking about it. “It is under discussion. Relations between the two countries are improving. There is talk of various exercises. We are examining options but nothing is finalised as yet,” he said. Such interactions, the IAF believes, will improve skills on both sides. “There are bound to be gains on both sides– that happens with every exercise,” he said. Where the exercise will take place has not been decided, he said.

In the USA, USAF officials said the Pacific Command’s F-15 Eagle would participate in these exercises planned either for later this year or for 2004. The Americans, it appears, are keen to ‘checking out’ the Su-30. For, very few countries have the Russian-designed plane, one of the most modern in the world. Currently, India has two squadrons of the Su-30, though each squadron has slightly different planes. The USAF has exercised with other planes including the MiG-29, not to speak of the modern French built Mirage-2000.

The F-15 Eagle is a standard US air force plane, in service for over a decade, and tried and tested. The IAF has probably little experience with such a plane. In recent times, the two air forces have been working together with transport aircraft, both in Alaska and here, in Agra.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Russia
KEYWORDS: avation; india; russia; southasialist; usa
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1 posted on 01/29/2003 6:47:49 PM PST by Destro
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2 posted on 01/29/2003 6:49:23 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Destro
The F-15 Eagle is a standard US air force plane, in service for over a decade

Bwah! Try around thirty years. Production started in 1972.

Well, ok - they've got a point - that's over a decade.

3 posted on 01/29/2003 6:53:36 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line)
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To: Destro
IAF has Indian accent:
Eagle Driver is from Texas.

SukhoisDriver: "Okay, . . . go!"

EagleDriver: "FIGHT ON! . . . "

SukhoisDriver:"Hold On please, I have a little problem here."

EagleDriver:"ABORT . . . "

SukhoisDriver: "I need some help dear friend."

EagleDriver: "COPY . . . "

SukhoisDriver: "Do you have cup holders in F-15? My grape slushi is all over my flight suit. Damn cheap Pakistani lids . . ."

EagleDriver: "NEGATIVE, NO CUP HOLDER ABOARD."

SukhoisDriver: "Okay, I drank it all. Let's get back to work."

EagleDriver: "FIGHTS ON . . . "

another day in the life of a USAF Pilot

Don't laugh when you see a picture of an F-15E with a grape slushi painted on it's nose in Iraq.

4 posted on 01/29/2003 7:00:56 PM PST by PokeyJoe (Saddam is MABUS (nostradamus))
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To: Destro
Should we assume the Russians are not uncomfortable with this?
5 posted on 01/29/2003 7:06:50 PM PST by mikeIII
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To: Destro

6 posted on 01/29/2003 7:08:03 PM PST by PokeyJoe (Saddam is MABUS (nostradamus))
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To: mikeIII; Poohbah
They got their cash.

Of course, the REAL problem is when the planes start going down after AMRAAM hits in combat. THEN people will stop buying the planes.

Remember that Lockheed warranty card?
7 posted on 01/29/2003 7:20:42 PM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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To: mikeIII
Russians don't care I would assume. The Chinese are freaking out though.
8 posted on 01/29/2003 7:24:44 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: PokeyJoe
Don't laugh when you see a picture of an F-15E with a grape slushi painted on it's nose in Iraq.

F-15E, while it retains most of the air to air of the -D, is a dedicated air to bunker aircraft. It can carry the latest version of the "bunker buster". We should soon see these in action over all of Saddam's bunkers.

9 posted on 01/29/2003 7:31:53 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Actually, the F-15E entered service in 1988.
10 posted on 01/29/2003 7:40:10 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: El Gato
True

So . . . how about a grape slushi slammed against a bunker wall?


11 posted on 01/29/2003 8:00:35 PM PST by PokeyJoe (Saddam is MABUS (nostradamus))
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
I love the Indians. I always have. I served (years ago) with a physician of Indian heritage in the AF who, when I asked him why the Indians (at that time) were so close to our enemies (the Soviets) he replied, why does the US not want to be India's friend. He said that the US always seemed to side with India's foes (Pakistan/China) during their intermural spats, leaving India no recourse but to court Soviet friendship (and technology). I never forgot his reply that day, and I have often wondered when we would come to our senses on this issue. The Pakistanis and Chinese as US friends? What a laugh. The Indians our friends? Not such an unreasonable thought.
12 posted on 01/29/2003 8:02:21 PM PST by BenR2 ((How do you do the tag-line thing, again?))
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To: PokeyJoe
SukhoisDriver: "Do you have cup holders in F-15? My grape slushi is all over my flight suit. Damn cheap Pakistani lids . . ."

LOL. Good one.
13 posted on 01/29/2003 8:04:13 PM PST by BenR2 ((How do you do the tag-line thing, again?))
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To: mikeIII
Should we assume the Russians are not uncomfortable with this?

Depends on what you mean by "this". Friendlier relations with India? Well, India is not likely to buy US fighters, as the Russian ones are cheaper. The Russians themselves have brought SU-27s and other variants to the US and to airshows in various countries. F-15s even escorted the first group of them to visit the US about 10 years ago. I would think we'd have exercised with SU-27/30s somewhere or other by now.

The SU-30 is an improved (much improved) version of the SU-27, which itself was roughly equivalent to an F-15A.

This is an SU-30 in Russian markings at a Brit airshow.

14 posted on 01/29/2003 8:08:21 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Destro; swarthyguy; AM2000
Bump!
15 posted on 01/29/2003 8:08:23 PM PST by Incorrigible
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To: BenR2
He said that the US always seemed to side with India's foes (Pakistan/China) during their intermural spats, leaving India no recourse but to court Soviet friendship (and technology).

BS revisionist history from your friend. Nehru was an out-and-out Fabian socialist who spent most of the 1950's sucking up to Khrushchev and the Soviets - the Non-Aligned Movement was a complete sham. Before that, the US really didn't have a favored side in the India-Pakistan rivalry, but that sort of behavior naturally caused the US to explore closer ties with Pakistan.

16 posted on 01/29/2003 8:18:12 PM PST by general_re (29A - the Number of the Beast)
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To: Poohbah
Actually, the F-15E entered service in 1988.

Not to argue - but the article doesn't mention the F-15E Strike Eagle - it talks about the F-15 Eagle - a different bird entirely. While the Strike Eagle came out in 1988, the first time I worked on an F-15 was in 1984, at Nellis AFB. There's a whole lot more of the air-to-air Eagles than there are air-to-mud Strike Eagles. I was fortunate to work on both platforms - did the field service evals for the F-100-220/220E for the C/D Eagles and the field service evals for the F-100-229 for the E models.

17 posted on 01/29/2003 8:25:07 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line)
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To: Destro
I used to fly F-15E's. They will chew them up big-time. In the right hands, there is nothing in our inventory or any one elses that will touch it. The F-22 and F-35 will make it tough to say that later. The F-15E can carry a lot of gas and weapons, making it the equivilant of several smaller aircraft like the F-16. A key capability is the ability to defeat surface to air missiles at medium altitude without the need to get rid of the bombs and tanks. Big engines, Big wings and cosmic avionics are great, but it is the training that really sets us apart from the rest of the world.

"Just another day at the ranch" when your flying an F-15E.

18 posted on 01/29/2003 8:30:45 PM PST by Revolutionary
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To: El Gato
The rap against Russian aircraft has never been against their airframes, but against the reliability of their engines.
19 posted on 01/29/2003 8:34:23 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry
Nothing like your engines exploding when you go into afterburner...
20 posted on 01/29/2003 8:37:53 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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