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To: ArneFufkin; Kevin Curry
Please elaborate on your claim that there are "appropriate and legitimate (Constitutional) justifications for this kind of aid." -- Where are they to be found in the document?
335 tpaine

--- there's nothing unconstitutional about the Federal Government providing foreign aid if the appropriations are authorized through our Constitutionally proscribed process of legislation, executive approval and judicial review.

So you claim, but where is this power so delegated? -- See the 10th, if you cannot find it.

The problem with American foreign aid is that it is currently being embezzled by institutions and criminals with no fealty to helping the people and societies toward which we target our generosity, and thus there is no ROI in American security and prosperity, or our God-ordained obligation to humanity. Foreign aid, as operated by the UN and the International mobsters, is being used in direct contravention to our interests. If the AIDS program bypasses these criminal conspiracies, that's a win for humanity and for America's security.
A program of this moral priority is untouchable, no despot or corrupt bureaucracy can interfere, and the power of despots and corrupt international bureaucracies will be eroded. That's a win-win.
My rights come from God. I choose which rights and prerogatives that I cede to my political institutions and leaders.

Sorry arnie, that choice has been made. You can try for Amendments of course.

If I think foreign aid is a good strategy to enhance my safety and security, and that of my tribe - I'll enable my Reps to use our American process to make it happen. When I think foreign aid is no longer a tool to promote my individual or group benefit, I'll work to yank it through the same process.

The 'process' being democratic majority rule. Thank you arnie.

The Constitution is primarily about the processes, consensus and safeguards to ensure MY individual political priorities have widespread support and wisdom. This AIDS initiative will have overwhelming American support, and if it is designed, funded, judicially reviewed in a Constitutionally legitimate way and executed in a logistically ethical and effective way, it'll be Constitutional on its face.

Finding 'penumbras' to support your wisdom arnie?

The debate whether the initiative is good policy and maximizes American long-term interest is another debate entirely, and one worth having. There is no inherent Constitutional issue here.

You have offered no basis for your claim. Congress is not delegated the authority to pay for such 'foreign aid'.

361 posted on 01/29/2003 5:56:15 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Congress is not delegated the authority to pay for such 'foreign aid'.

I'm still waiting for you to PROVE that assertion...

I got time...

362 posted on 01/29/2003 6:00:39 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (We've got Armadillos in our trousers. It's really quite frightening.)
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To: tpaine
The first three Articles of the Constitution provide the process and prerogatives that make the Tenth Amendment irrelevant in this case. The Bill of Rights are not Hammurabi's code, we have a process to amend or rescind ANY of them. The first seven Articles make all the subsequent Amendments tenuous and mutable. That's the fact.

If you don't like the policy, don't vote for politicians who would make this a codified and funded program. Contest it in court, see if the AIDS funding is legal. It is. Just don't say the 10th Amendment prohibits EVERY act of Congress - that's the laziest of the Libertarian dogmas and it is garbage.

365 posted on 01/29/2003 6:15:19 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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