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To: Kevin Curry; Chad Fairbanks
Excuse me, but most of the criticism against this initiative is based on the principle of foreign aid to AIDS victims, not against any strategy, because Bush didn't mention exactly how he wants to use that money, so there is no strategy to criticize, only the principle.

In the U.S., AIDS is confined largely to gays and drug users. In Africa, it is not a gay/junkie disease; it affects men, women and children. Sure, changing people's behavior is the key to preventing the spread of this disease; we all know that. But in Africa, what you and I know to be true they don't know. There's a lot of ignorance and superstition in Africa about AIDS.

Oh, and as for the African and Caribbean AIDS victims, just because they are foreigners who "brought it on themselves" doesn't make them any less human. They are still human beings whose lives are worth just as much as yours. They aren't dirt; even though they may treat themselves like dirt. They don't suffer from the disease any less because of it, either.

And another thing, many of the people here aren't arguing against this initiative because the money might not get to the right people; that's a valid concern, and I hope if Congress does approve this that they plan it in such a way that the money doesn't go straight down the toilet. Many people are against it simply because they are against foreign aid to a passel of sick foreigners, no matter how well distributed the money is. There's something wrong with that way of thinking. Luckily, all most Americans want is to know that the money will be used the way it was intended. I don't mind helping sick people, even if we don't get anything out of it, as long as the money goes actually to help sick people and prevent new cases. Who cares if the rest of the world doesn't appreciate how much we help out other countries? Do we feed the starving, heal the sick and prevent disease in the Third World in order to receive appreciation and recognition, or do we feed the starving, heal the sick and prevent disease in the Third World in order to feed the starving, heal the sick and prevent disease in the Third World?

You can call Chad "self-righteous" and "pious" all you want to, but something tells it's not your approval Chad needs or wants.

142 posted on 01/29/2003 9:40:44 AM PST by wimpycat (US: The masters of our domain...France: Morally bankrupt "old Europe")
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To: wimpycat
Oh, and I'm not saying we can save the world; we can't. But we help out where we can and when we can. We are selective about it, and I've got no problem with that.
145 posted on 01/29/2003 9:43:27 AM PST by wimpycat (US: The masters of our domain...France: Morally bankrupt "old Europe")
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To: wimpycat
THanks, Wimpycat - couldn't have summed it up any better... :0)
163 posted on 01/29/2003 10:12:19 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (We've got Armadillos in our trousers. It's really quite frightening.)
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To: wimpycat
Whimpycat, you can add to your argument by noting that anything that knocks down the immune system enhances the chances of a successful HIV infection. For example, in Africa there are a host of prevalent diseases, poor nutrition and other problems that make the immune system vulnerable to the virus.

In this Country, homosexuals frequently use "poppers" or amyl nitrite capsules to enhance erections. These and other substances and alcohol also knock down the immune system.

With good nutrition, a relative lack of chronic infectious diseases and so forth we have a lesser degree of AIDS then other, less fortunate, countries.

192 posted on 01/29/2003 10:59:08 AM PST by shrinkermd
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