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If we were to have the government use its' social security database to identify the illegals in the workforce and then require the employer to let the person go, then the illegal alien problem would be cured inexpensively and immediately. However, it would be our obligation to provide some sort of amnesty. And you know no such law can be passed without amnesty. Our goal should be only to shut down new illegal immigration and accept amnesty for 90% of the rest.

No dice. Never. Amnesty for Illegals is the root of the problem, not the solution.

We need to have public campaigns and ask our people who's in charge, us or the elites on a wide range of issues, including this one. Then we need to publicly humiliate and vote out all politicians, democrat or republican, who fail to support the will of the majority on issues such as illegal immigration.

The will of the people is for no Amnesty. You're an advocate for the elites. Your 90% Amnesty proposal is far more corrosive than anything GWB has yet proposed, and he's been a flat-out weasel thus far on Illegals.
Please, rethink your post.

well I appreciate your consideration of these things.

I would only give amnesty to those who've really been here supporting themselves for a year or more. But you believe that the majority of ordinary americans would oppose amnesty if we really were to be able to use the payroll information already reported and the computer to eliminate new illegal hiring. And I believe that under these conditions the americans by a majority would want to grant amnesty to those who really have been here and held down a job for just one year. Because some of these people been here for 10 years and have kids here who are in school. We don't as a nation want to send these people home. Home is here for them. And second, from pure principal our nation made it legal for our employers to hire them as long as they got a fake ID, and our employers knew the government wouldn't use the computer to see who's legal and not. The only one who broke the law in the transaction of the employer hiring an illegal is the illegal. It was legal for the company tohire themif only they had fake ID. If you were from south mexico or guatemala, then you'd want to come el norte to work if opportunity arose. We made the opportunity, so let's not punish em for taking it. It would also create substantial hardship in mexico and central america to just send back so many millions. It would also disrupt american business. It's best not to disrupt american business. By keeping the business' from hiring illegals in the future it will provide slow upward pressure on wages for many jobs. It will not disrupt any business though.

I like your posts. But just like Ronald Reagan in 1986 I support amnesty with this computer check at the same time. Reagan made a mistake we see in hindsight to not veto the bill as he didn't get the bill he wanted on his desk, but he signed it anyway.

Tancredo's a hero for being bold on legislation. But his legislation won't work without amnesty. Bush and his 'match an employer to an employee' immigration policies are the problem, not someone like me.