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To: spunkets
Spunkets: "...I pay the damn taxes and they're my roads too. As long as I drive w/o crashing and in a respectable manner, keep your damn jackbooted road agents the hell off my tail..."


me: You need a civics lesson - "paying the damn taxes" does not make you the lawgiver (that would be the legislature). Likewise, your notion of what your obligations are while driving on public roads is a fantasy or a fraud. I am glad there a re police to enforce the traffic laws. In your world, public roads are evidence of the nanny state and state troopers are equivalent to jack-booted thugs. I am glad you are not in the legislature.




131 posted on 01/27/2003 6:49:42 PM PST by Notwithstanding (America: Home of Abortion on Demand - 42,000,000 Slaughtered)
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To: Notwithstanding
" You need a civics lesson - "paying the damn taxes" does not make you the lawgiver (that would be the legislature)." You seem to have avoided addressing what you originally claimed. That the roads are owned by some etherial, "public funders" and I am no more than a priviledged user. ie.

"If you value your freedom to drive with no seatbelt more than the privilege to use tax-funded roads then you can always drive up and down your driveway and walk to the store."

The legislature has a duty in a Free society to refrain from dictating personal choices that are of no consequence regarding the safety and smooth flow of traffic of, and for, other drivers, pedestrians, or property on the highways. Notice I attached the the conditional, Free. That conditional places a definite bound on what the legislature can and can not do. When the legislature operates beyond the bounds of rights protection and fails to nourish and promote Freedom, it becomes a tyrannical body.

Seatbelt laws happen to be pure tyranny. They are most often justified to lower the cost of forced health programs by the state and preferential treatment for particular commercial operations. Those programs are another tyrannical act, because they don't exist without the force of government action and their sole purpose has nothing to do with rights protection, but are simply bogus charity schemes. Schemes that are used by autoritarian socialists to maintain economic benefit and power. It's nothing more than theft and a bribery for votes scheme.

"Likewise, your notion of what your obligations are while driving on public roads is a fantasy or a fraud."

My obligations while driving on the road are to follow the traffic laws, respect others rights and refrain from crashing, period. I have no obligation to wear a seatbelt. If you think Freedom is fantasy, or fraud, you are welcome to, but I do not. Freedom is a gift from God and those others that respect that gift.

"In your world, public roads are evidence of the nanny state and state troopers are equivalent to jack-booted thugs.

According to you. The fact is that public roads exist for transportation purposes, that's it. The laws that govern the use of those roads are restricted, in a Free society to those laws that promote the Free flow of traffic and protect individual rights. There is no justification to impose personal safety rules, such as air bag and seatbelt mandates.

"I am glad you are not in the legislature."

Your in the company of all the other authoritarians that hold Freedom in contempt.

"America: Home of Abortion on Demand - 42,000,000 Slaughtered"

It's a communitarian thing. It promotes cost effective population control, lowers health care bills and other various and sundry socialist expenditures. For a person that cares so little about individual rights, such as the sovereignty of will that is an essence of human life, why would it concern you? Do you want them as subjects to belt up and impose dictates, mandates and prohibitions, or to live as Free individuals to pursue their own interests, make their own decision and determine their own destiny?

135 posted on 01/27/2003 9:47:56 PM PST by spunkets
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