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To: Askel5; Drawsing
I think you may be confused by his used of "moral"

Just as forgiveness and compassion are more commonly perceived as feminine, there's a parallel and not inferior morality in courage, endurance, and self-discipline. It's useless to speak of either sex's moral superiority. As neither sex exists independent of the other, to speak of one without reference to the other's contribution to its formation and completion is to overlook John Paul II's penetrating insight in Mulieris Dignitatem ("Womanly Dignity"), that man and woman are completed and realised in each other.

...he refers, I believe, to the fact women are -- generally speaking -- more forgiving, more tolerant, more compassionate, more Christ-like than men.

Let's not forget that there's no one more Christ-like than Christ -- indisputably male, and self-giving ("emptying himself" is how Paul puts it -- a bloody image, but also a spousal one), whose maleness is definitively revealed in a stripped crucifixion that's not about wrath-appeasement but self-revelation.

31 posted on 01/24/2003 9:02:00 PM PST by Romulus
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To: Romulus
Let's not forget

... that it's when men fall in love with Christ the Bridegroom -- Real Men ... men like St. John of the Cross, for example -- they come close to what is more natural to a woman.

Additionally, having never actually been a woman, I don't think you have any notion of the day-in, day-out selflessness and struggle for worth when posited perpetually somewhere between the Virgin and the whore and excluded from the sanctuary.

Just as menarche imposes maturity on women, all sorts of realities on this earth impose a cross on women that is a sort of shortcut to understanding.

This could possibly be due to the original natural superiority of men that was having to be wheedled by Eve to partake ALSO of the fruit of which she chose to eat. A guilty conscience usually goes a long way in instilling the regret and wisdom from which spring real empathy, sympathy, compassion and forgiveness.

Perhaps Woman has one of these as a matter of course.



I read the "not sexes" interjection as a pointed reminder that the Gender business is bogus. I think he was being sarcastic.


Also, I do not agree that male and female must needs find their fulfillment in each other even if mankind be made male and female. In fact, I don't believe that most men and women who look first to their partner in life for ultimate fulfillment end up fulfilled. God must come first and, for some, He's enough.

32 posted on 01/24/2003 9:36:00 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Romulus
("emptying himself" is how Paul puts it

Have you ever delivered a child?

There are certain procedures involved beforehand designed specifically around the fact that indeed the woman empties herself ... in great pain, to boot.

Women have a mild -- for most -- rehearsal of this emptying of the self as regularly as the full moon from the moment they become fertile to the moment they wither on the vine.

34 posted on 01/24/2003 9:45:27 PM PST by Askel5
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