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Tasmania: Long-lost records confirm rising sea level
Space Daily ^ | January 22, 2003

Posted on 01/23/2003 2:11:40 PM PST by cogitator

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To: alaskanfan
It's called climate change.

Yes, yes, I know. (What we don't know is how much and how fast it's happening now.)

21 posted on 01/24/2003 8:10:28 AM PST by cogitator
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To: Redcloak
I don't see how one can arbitrarily rule out the possibility that Australia is sinking.

The researchers used the position of a nearby fossil shell bed to address this.

22 posted on 01/24/2003 8:11:14 AM PST by cogitator
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To: Slewfoot
Either the mountains have been rising

That's what happened with the Himalayas. The subcontinent of India plowed into Asia a few million years ago, and the Himalayan uplift resulted.

23 posted on 01/24/2003 8:12:44 AM PST by cogitator
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To: DBrow
So the sea level changes on Earth? How very surprising!

Very few people dispute that sea level has changed in Earth's paleohistory. The question of concern now as regards to climate change is how much it is changing and how much higher it might rise. As the storm-battered residents of Fiji and the Solomon Islands might tell us, a couple of centimeters means a lot when your island is only a couple of feet higher than the ocean.

24 posted on 01/24/2003 8:15:08 AM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator
Mark of hot dispute. Photograph by J. Daly (1999)

Regardless of what mean sea level is/was the fact remains:

"What is so fascinating is that the mark appears to some to be 30 centimetres above the current mean sea level."
or photographable at all after 160 yrs. of global warming....OH that's right, I forgot. Up untill the 1970's we were entering an ice age, the dyslexic sceintists suddenly changed that scare tactic to "global warming".
25 posted on 01/24/2003 8:56:26 AM PST by lewislynn
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To: lewislynn
Was an imminent Ice Age Predicted in the '70's?

Short answer to the question posed above: No.

Regarding the mark, if the CSIRO research is accurate, then the position of the mark is consistent with an approximately 16 cm sea level rise around Australia since the late 1800s. If the mark was not placed at mean sea level then, its position now - above or below mean sea level - doesn't mean anything.

26 posted on 01/24/2003 9:42:47 AM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator
The subcontinent of India plowed into Asia a few million years ago, and the Himalayan uplift resulted.

The global warming crowd tries to tie sealevels to climate. It's a scare tactic to make people think we will all drown if we drive suvs.

To believe that the measurement in this article are accurate one must believe that the rock in Port Arthur is the same distance from the center of the earth as it was in 1890, that because the sea is 16 centimeters higher in relation to the rock that the sea rose.

While most people believe that the ground we walk on is rock solid, the truth is it is nothing more than debris floating on a liquid core. GPS data shows that the Himalayas are still rising over an inch a year. But we don't have anything that could accurately measure the altitude of Port Arthur in 1890 to within 16 centimeters.

Climate does effect sea levels but erosion of the lands filling the seabeds with sediment probably increased sea levels more in the last century than melting glaciers. The big changes in sea level come from plate tectonics, the widening and narrowing and rising and lowering of the seabed has the greatest affect.

If the people of Fiji and the Solomon Islands check out what is happening along that fault line that is close to them, they may find something other than global warming could make them the next Atlantis.

27 posted on 01/24/2003 1:10:43 PM PST by Slewfoot
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To: cogitator
A big question too, is, is the change in climate anthropogenic or not? It probably is not, since the climate has been changing since time out of mind. Can humans do a thing about sea level changes, and if so, should they?

Should we politicize the climate and weather, use them as a propaganda and disinformation tool to push for a global governance setup in which all energy use is rationed, and tax money is sent to the UN or other organizations to regulate us? Back in the 70's a "carbon tax" was seen as the way to stop the global cooling trend. This has been proposed also to stop the global warming trend. The Kyoto treaty has provisions for penalty fees to be paid by "developed" countries except for China and India and parts of Russia.

If the sea level is going to change in a way that will adversely impact us, we should be working to develop ways to deal with that fact, rather than trying to socialize the global economy. Shipping money about is not going to change sea level.
28 posted on 01/25/2003 7:13:17 AM PST by DBrow
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To: cogitator
From John Daly's site: "Next week - Tasmanian Sea Levels
probability statistics v. hard documentary evidence".

Let's wait and see what the other side of the story is.
29 posted on 01/25/2003 7:37:43 AM PST by Number_Cruncher
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To: Number_Cruncher
Let's wait and see what the other side of the story is.

I'll be very interested to see what Daly has to say about it. The thing is, we'll only get his side of the story from his Web site; and we already know where he's coming from, based on the caption of the picture at the top of the Web site.

"Media reports of sea level rise here are false as a tide gauge at this very site registered depths of 2ft at the very lowest of tides in the 1840s."

What we need are BOTH sides of the story, which means we also need the paper that was just published in International Hydrological Review. I decided over the weekend to see if I can get it by request from the authors. They may be able to either email a PDF version of it or send it to me by mail.

They also may be fielding a lot of similar requests, so I don't know if they'll be able to send me one or not. But it can't hurt to try.

30 posted on 01/27/2003 8:32:16 AM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator
Anyone who would like copies of our papers on sea level rise at Port Arthur (yes, there are now two papers), please email me, with your snail mail address, at:

john.hunter@utas.edu.au

and I'll gladly put them in the mail.

Cheers

John Hunter
31 posted on 03/11/2003 7:18:57 PM PST by johnroberthunter
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