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Marijuana columnist goes on trial on charges of illegally growing pot (DOH! alert)
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| 1/21/03
| DAVID KRAVETS
Posted on 01/21/2003 4:28:02 PM PST by Libloather
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To: MrLeRoy
Controlling, hindering, and preventing self-inflicted harm are not legitimate functions of government.I would agree with this statement except that use of drugs does inflict harm to other non users.
BTW - where do libertarians stand on abortion - inflicting harm on another?
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posted on
01/23/2003 11:40:14 AM PST
by
eleni121
To: bassmaner
Marijuana is not a "realtively harmless" drug. Get your facts straight!
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posted on
01/23/2003 11:42:38 AM PST
by
eleni121
To: eleni121
use of drugs does inflict harm to other non users. Is that harm a violation of rights?
where do libertarians stand on abortion - inflicting harm on another?
Those who recognize (as I do) that the unborn child is an "other" are opposed to abortion.
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posted on
01/23/2003 11:44:35 AM PST
by
MrLeRoy
("That government is best which governs least.")
To: eleni121
Marijuana is not a "realtively harmless" drug. It's much less harmful than the drug alcohol.
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posted on
01/23/2003 11:45:12 AM PST
by
MrLeRoy
("That government is best which governs least.")
To: That Subliminal Kid
Nor is anyone with as much as half a brain impressed with your whine to the A.M. about this thread. I would offer you some cheese to go with it, but truth be told, I would not pi$$ on a WODDIE if you were on fire. And since ALL you have going for you is your name-calling and whining, there's no sense in even asking you questions, as all I would get would be more of the same... but just to show how fair I am, describe for me the source of our liberties. Who gets to define them? Why?
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posted on
01/23/2003 11:54:19 AM PST
by
dcwusmc
("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
To: MrLeRoy
Those who recognize (as I do) that the unborn child is an "other" are opposed to abortion.
Enough to want to pull out the official party shun list, perhaps?
To: Cultural Jihad
I have no idea what you're talking about; I am not a member (or candidate) of the Libertarian Party.
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posted on
01/23/2003 12:20:46 PM PST
by
MrLeRoy
("That government is best which governs least.")
To: eleni121
BTW - where do libertarians stand on abortion - inflicting harm on another? Libertarians are nicely split on the abortion issue, just like the Democrats and Republicans. While our first principle is non-agression, there is the usual factual debate on whether a fetus is a human or not.
I personally come down on the side of life begins at conception and my feeling is that the party is nearly equally split. Our platform has a pro-choice plank (left over from the founding in 1972) and it takes 2/3 vote to change it. So far that has not been achieved, but it comes up at every national convention.
And no, I will not leave the party because of this. Where would I go? Every other party is split as well and I agree with more Libertarian principles that any other party.
To: dcwusmc
Dane, you are incredible. In the sense that you have ZERO credibility. The ONLY way I could have been comparing you to the two named "worthies" is if you agree with the underlying premise that government should be the definer of our liberties. In THAT case, you would be saying that R. Kelly or David Westerfield should be allowed to define pedophilia. And that is a valid comparison. Now notice, Dame, I am NOT saying YOU are like these two. Please do NOT let it go to your head. You are NOT in their class.
Keep on posting dcwusmc. The more posting you do, the more your whacko comments are seen for what they are, whacko. Like in enviro-whacko, abortion-whacko, and in your case pot/drug Libertarian/ACLU-whacko
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posted on
01/23/2003 1:46:15 PM PST
by
Dane
To: Dane
So do you agree that government should define our rights and liberties?
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posted on
01/23/2003 2:16:10 PM PST
by
dcwusmc
("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
To: dcwusmc
So do you agree that government should define our rights and liberties? Well if you were running the government, pot and all drugs would be legal(actually promoted, IMHO) and child pornography would be no big deal either(per reply #74), IMHO. No I don't want you running the government and the Founding Fathers set up a system to let me have a voice so that can happen peacefully.
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posted on
01/23/2003 2:29:18 PM PST
by
Dane
To: Dane
No I don't want you running the government and the Founding Fathers set up a system to let me have a voice so that can happen peacefully.I think that you failed to answer the question from dwcusmc: Does the legislature (state or Federal) have complete authority to set the rules for society, presumably in compliance with the will of the majority, or is it limited by some prior rules (the constitution) that are there to protect the minority from abuse and tyranny of the majority?
To: That Subliminal Kid
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To: That Subliminal Kid
To: Mike4Freedom; dcwusmc
I think that you failed to answer the question from dwcusmc: Does the legislature (state or Federal) have complete authority to set the rules for society, presumably in compliance with the will of the majority, or is it limited by some prior rules (the constitution) that are there to protect the minority from abuse and tyranny of the majority? Uh dude reply #91 says it all and that I would fight in the arena of ideas(i.e through th electoral process) against dcwusmc's and your idea of freedom(i.e drugs and child porn are no big problem).
BTW, why do you strident Libertarians get "all of the sudden civil", when faced with questions that can't be easily answered with such quick replies as "statist", "jack booted thug", or "boot licking drug warrior".
The quote, "You doth protest too much" seems quite apt.
Hey who would of thought that Shakespere wrote about and ridiculed "liberal/libertarian" thought in the late 1500's.
Just reaffirms my beleif that political naivete and the words that describe that naievte are ageless.
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posted on
01/23/2003 3:46:26 PM PST
by
Dane
To: Dane
BTW, why do you strident Libertarians get "all of the sudden civil", when faced with questions that can't be easily answered with such quick replies as "statist", "jack booted thug", or "boot licking drug warrior".I don't "get civil". I am always civil, even when faced with nonsensical ad hominem attacks. I just assume that if my opponent resorts to ad hominem, he has no real argument and is admitting that I have won the point.
I use only real arguments. If I do not have a good case, I do not get into a debate until I have worked it out or I change my mind on the matter. That is a requirement of intellectual honesty.
I find that drug warriors have no good arguments. They either repeat long disproven nonsense or moral platitudes. There is no good argument to justify the evil of the War on Drugs. If you think you have one, bring it on, but you have to overcome the moral, constitutional AND practical arguments that make the WOD evil.
To: Mike4Freedom
I use only real arguments. If I do not have a good case, I do not get into a debate until I have worked it out or I change my mind on the matter. That is a requirement of intellectual honesty. I find that drug warriors have no good arguments.
Just retract, drug warriors, from the above sentence, and add in pro-lifers and voila you have a Hillary soundbite.
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posted on
01/23/2003 5:29:36 PM PST
by
Dane
To: Dane
Just retract, drug warriors, from the above sentence, and add in pro-lifers and voila you have a Hillary soundbite.See, just what I said. No real argument, just an ad hominem. Imagine comparing me to Hillary. That is a terrible and mean thing to say but has nothing to do with the WOD. I guess that you are out of arguments and concede.
To: eleni121
I would agree with this statement except that use of drugs does inflict harm to other non users. Come on! The use of the drug, the chemical, affects only the person using, the irrespeconsible behavior of the individual after using said drugs is the individual's fault. You sound like a liberal blaming guns for gun violence.
BTW - where do libertarians stand on abortion - inflicting harm on another?
Many libertarians are pro-life. I am.
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posted on
01/23/2003 6:00:31 PM PST
by
realpatriot71
(legalize freedom!)
To: bassmaner
"734,000 Americans ARRESTED in 2000 on MJ charges."A little perspective. There were 14 million arrests in 2000. So this is what... 5% of all arrests? Hell, there were over 600,000 arrests for "disorderly conduct".
Geez, take a hit off your bong and chill out.
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