Bush: My Quotas are Better Than Your Quotas!

Toogood Reports ^ | 21 January 2003 | Nicholas Stix

[mrustow]

fyi

[mrustow]

fyi

[aristeides]

Actually, in this case the liberal media are telling the same lies as the Bush administration. They, like the administration, would have us believe that the reasoning of the briefs would seriously limit affirmative action.

[mrustow]

fyi

[Reagan Man]

>>>The purpose of the 20 points is to rig the admissions process...

This type of reverse discrimination has been going on, in one incarnation or another, for the last 30-35 years. Acceptance to institutions of higher learning should be based strictly on the merit of educational achievement and not on one's skin color. Another reason most four year college degrees, aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

[Red Jones]

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[aristeides]

I can't say I found Bruce Fein's column today at all persuasive. Did you notice that right next to it on the Washington Times's op ed page is a diametrically opposed column by Terry Eastland? Personally, I agree with Eastland.

And so does the Washington Times, as evidenced by its editorial, Bush misses the mark.

[Red Jones]

thanks for keeping me informed on this issue.

[mrustow]

I hear them sometimes say that athelets and honor grades also get 20 points.

The only argument is this: you must earn the atheltic status and you must earn the grades.

I guess I've got a peculiar view of higher ed, but I figure that if a youngster can't do academic work, then it is a case of fraud for a selective university to admit him under any circumstances. I'll have no beef with the "athletic status" business, just as soon as universities stop admitting jocks as students, and begin admitting them instead as professional atheletes who are paid to play for the school teams, just as the school's coaches are paid to run those teams.

[mrustow]

Thanks for the link.

In fact, fudging on affirmative action isn't necessary even at a level of electoral calculation. Prominent studies, including one by the Pew Hispanic Center highlighted recently on this page, demonstrate that the political decisions of Hispanics are not governed by the same aggrieved group-think as other minority groups. As such, efforts to woo Hispanics do not require the pandering that has historically marked minority outreach. The undiluted message of social conservatism has widespread appeal in the Hispanic community, and sticking with principles does not preclude the Republican Party from getting its fair share of votes.

If the WT editorial is right, Bush's use of AA to woo Hispanics may just result in turning them into quota-mongers the same way blacks are. If Hispanics see that the GOP is willing to give them such narcotics, they will become addicted to them, as well.

[L.N. Smithee]

George Bush is like a man who goes to the dance with a beautiful, virtuous girl, but instead of dancing with the one that brung him, ignores his girl, and spends the entire night begging for a dance with the town slut, who despises him. The more the slut insults him, the more desperately he pleads with her for a spin around the floor. And as he begs, unbeknownst to him, Lady Virtue leaves the hall.

I don't like race-based preferences any more than this guy, but if he ever said the above in my presence, he'd better pray he wasn't within spitting range.

[mrustow]

P.S. Bruce Fein is just pushing GOP talking points in a most dishonest fashion.

[mrustow]

George Bush is like a man who goes to the dance with a beautiful, virtuous girl, but instead of dancing with the one that brung him, ignores his girl, and spends the entire night begging for a dance with the town slut, who despises him. The more the slut insults him, the more desperately he pleads with her for a spin around the floor. And as he begs, unbeknownst to him, Lady Virtue leaves the hall.

I don't like race-based preferences any more than this guy, but if he ever said the above in my presence, he'd better pray he wasn't within spitting range.

When it comes to wanting to spit at this fellow (not to mention: slug, shoot, stab, run down, etc.), you'd probably have to take a number and get in line, L.N.

[syriacus]

These plans' critics – including Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY) – have rightfully pointed out, that since many minority schools are de facto segregated, these schemes are merely quotas.

Does Clinton think schools are segregated, or not?

Here is another reference to what she has said recently...

Students in the top 10% of high school classes are admitted into the University of Texas automatically, and the university has maintained a diverse student body, supporters maintain.

Mrs. Clinton rebuked the president’s Texas model yesterday.

“In order for that to work you have to have totally segregated schools,” Mrs. Clinton said.

So we have Mrs. Clinton saying both these things

• Bush's plan is no good because schools would need to be segregated, in order to have it work. (IOW, not enough schools are segregated)
  and
• Bush's plan is no good because schools are segregated and it is a quota system.(IOW, too many schools are segregated)

Hillary is good at arguing any side of a case, as long as the outcome is that Bush gets bashed.

I have no problem with the top 10 % of students from each school getting admission to state schools. They have worked hard in the circumstances they found themselves in.

They've pretty well proven they will make good use of any chances they are given.

[Free ThinkerNY]

"Working-class and poor black students "know" that there is "no point" to studying, because racism will keep them from having any chance at success. They "know" this, because their middle-class black teachers and administrators constantly tell them so. But somehow, white racism did not keep those black educators from gaining employment and influence."

That's right. They are fed that lie by teachers and administrators. They are also fed that lie by "Activists" like Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. They thrive on keeping poor Blacks, poor, frustrated and angry. They have a vested interest in keeping the underclass dependent on them. The Democrat Party does the same thing.

[ffusco]

Part of the problem I see is the myth that colleges provide a brand of education so you had better go to a good school. Regardless of the applicants low scores he or she can coast knowing they got into a good school. Sure Harvard sounds better than Smalltown U but that is an extreme example. Another disadvantage to this "lower standards for diversity solution" means a mediocre student displaces an outstanding student. A mediocre student typically doesnt't bring much to a class discussion, doesn't get involved, does as little as possible to get a grade. I got into an arguement with my brother about this: He was pissed that even though he got an A+ on the final he only got a B for the class because he missed 5 classes. He still gets angry about it years later.

[Free the USA]

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list

[syriacus]

I forgot to mention Hillary's other silly words. She thinks that, even if it might be wrong to admit students based on their skin color, it's okay to admit them based on their race.

Clinton Joins the Appeal For Affirmative Action {What Color is YOUR Character?}

“Yes, we want to be judged by the content of our character and not the color of our skin. But what makes up character?” she said, quoting from Dr. King’s “I Have a Dream” speech.

“If we don’t take race as part of our character, then we are kidding ourselves.”

According to Hillary's way of thinking:

Aren't applicants with some Caucasian ancestry, who fill out forms indicating they are Black or Asian, kidding themselves? Aren't they failing to take into account part of their character, the Caucasian part of their character?

[mrustow]

I found two exdellent op-eds criticizing Bush, but no Eastland:

It's Academic

and

'No Place in Life or Law'

Do you have a subscription to the WT granting you access to additional material, or was the Eastland piece from an earlier day? Or were you at a web site (not the WT) that had links to both pieces?

[mrustow]

Thanks for the excellent juxtaposition. I'd only heard of one of HILLARY'S! objections. As they say, a half-truth is a whole lie.