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Ranking the presidents
BSNN ^ | 01.21.03 | By John Flaherty

Posted on 01/21/2003 7:00:06 AM PST by meandog

I thought it might be fun to play a little parlor game. Below, you will find my selections for the Top and Bottom 10 Presidents in U.S. history. Lists like this are, admittedly, highly subjective by their very nature - and yet, various ranking lists from the first great original done by Arthur Schlesinger in 1948 to C-SPAN's poll in 1999 all indicate similar results for the best and worst. My results below match fairly closely to these others with mostly differences in ranking by no more than 5 spots or so.

For judging the top ten Presidents in U.S. history, I chose the following criteria: Their handling of Crisis Management, Domestic/Economic Policy, Foreign Policy, Moral Character, Leadership, Legacy, and the pursuit of Civil Rights and Individual Liberty.

Thus, Wilson, who is typically ranked at or on the top ten on most polls, is not given that honor on my list, mostly due to his regressive policies towards blacks and civil rights as well as his foreign policy which was a complete failure.

Similarly, the presence of Jimmy Carter and (much as it pains me personally) Ulysses S. Grant on the bottom ten portion - Both were men of impeccable personal moral character - yet neither proved capable of leadership or crisis management as Chief Executive.

There are several choices which may not seem consistent with the above criteria (most notably Andrew Jackson and Thomas Jefferson) but mitigating or special circumstances may have influenced them.

In any case, that's how I did it. You may agree or not - I just thought I should spend this holiday wisely as opposed to the way most of our free-vacations from work are handled (mine included).

In each case I give three reasons for my choice. In each case, the reasons match one of the top six criteria. (NOTE: For the Top Ten anyway - for the Bottom Ten I just sorta rant as in most cases, 3 reasons were not enough).

The Top Ten - The Greatest Presidents in U.S. History :

I George Washington:

Created a breathing, working Presidency from theory and ideals through sheer force of will and unblemished moral character.

Established the precedent of peaceful, democratic transfer of power

Led the United States of America into the greatest experiment (and success) in self-rule ever attempted in the history of civilization.

II Abraham Lincoln:

S aved the United States of America from Extinction

Solidification of the Federal Government's authority over the States and the establishment of the United States of America we now know it.
The destruction of slavery and the great "Original Sin" which lay at the heart of this nations founding.

III Franklin Delano Roosevelt:

Saved the world from the greatest evil in the history of civilization.

Saved the world from the greatest evil in the history of civilization.
Saved the world from the greatest evil in the history of civilization.

IV Ronald Reagan:

Saved the world from the second greatest evil in the history of civilization.

Orchestrated the greatest non-wartime national rebirth (from the economic, militarily, and psychological ashes of the 70's) in U.S. history.

The re-establishment of the American Vision.

V Harry S. Truman

The courage, wisdom, and mercy (yes…mercy) that enabled him to end WWII by the use of nuclear weapons as opposed to the bloodbath of invasion (generous estimates of Hiroshima and Nagasaki dead are at 400,000 - conservative estimates of U.S. dead alone for an invasion of Japan were 500,000 with millions of dead Japanese).
The Truman Doctrine & Marshall Plan - nuff said…
The desegregation of the U.S military and all Federal Service.

VI Theodore Roosevelt:

The Panama Canal - nuff said
The establishment of an activist foreign policy which bolstered American security and prestige while simultaneously winning TR the Nobel Peace Prize.
The establishment of the American conservationist legacy by the Forest Reserve Act of 1891, which declared 235 million acres as permanent national forests and parks.

VII James K. Polk:

The Annexation of California and Texas

The Securing of the Oregon Territory (while simultaneously furthering the "Monroe Doctrine precedent by facing down the U.K.).
The establishment of an Independent U.S. Treasury.

VIII Grover Cleveland:

The most fiscally conservative Democrat in U.S. History, Cleveland forever solidified in the American psyche the concept that free market capitalism was a great good and tariffs and protectionism were evils to be abolished.
His attitudes and respect for the indigenous peoples of Hawaii and Cuba (in the face of possible annexation) laid the foundations for the future handling of all U.S. foreign affairs with an eye towards restraint and conscience as well as the eventual rejection of colonial imperialism.
He was the most scrupulously honest and courageous President of the Gilded Age and these character traits did much to set the future tone of American politics, fiscal policies, and human rights.

IX Andrew Jackson:
The Annexation of Florida
The establishment of Federal Power over States (and the delaying of a Civil War for a few more decades). South Carolina was but one step from secession over it's right to "nullify" Federal Authority as subordinate to States Rights. Jackson corrected them with the threat of U.S. military intervention.

Established the legacy of the President being beholden to the will of the people, as well as the rise of mass political parties as a coalition of interests.
NOTE: His treatment of Native American's (the infamous "Trail of Tears") almost made me remove him but, unlike Jefferson, he did not talk out of both sides of his mouth on the issue and was very much a product of his time (as lame as that sounds) and in any case, was no different from the treatment handed out by most U.S. Presidents.

X Thomas Jefferson:
The Louisiana Purchase - which more than doubled the size of America with the stroke of a pen (and $15 Million to Napoleon).

The Shores of Tripoli." - The Barbary Coast Wars. The first foreign military intervention by U.S. forces to secure American rights and which also set a precedent, still active today, of U.S. refusal to be blackmailed by "terrorists" or rogue states.

T he Lewis & Clark Expedition

NOTE: Jefferson's position - at 10 - may be a conceit on my part (I harbor a secret fondness for him). The reality is that the majority of the great accomplishments he is most worshiped for came before his Presidency. In addition, it is impossible to gloss over his appalling hypocrisy on the issue of "all men are created equal" while continuing to own human beings due to no other motivation than personal greed. In the end, Jefferson is on my list as a representation of the highest ideals of America (even when we fail to achieve them).

Honorable Mentions:

Dwight D. Eisenhower:

Ike is on most of the lists I have seen. His moral character, and leadership are undeniable, and his reign during some of the most optimistic and golden periods in American history (the 50's) is more than just coincidence. On the other hand, his foreign policy endeavors were largely appalling failures. The bay of Pigs was planned by his administration. His words on Communist Europe were proven (at great cost - ask Hungary) to be bluster while his policies on South East Asia began what would be the greatest military, domestic, and foreign policy disaster in U.S. history - Viet Nam. When coupled with his lukewarm attitudes towards Truman's fledgling civil rights advances, he must be relegated to somewhere less than top 10.
James Monroe:

The Monroe Doctrine - nuff said

John F. Kennedy:

JFK was a womanizer, an elitist, and a political slickster who's administration double-dealed, held mortal grudges, and practiced the politics of personal vendetta. The Bay of Pigs was a fiasco, his personal war against Castro was illegal (and would eventually play a part in his assassination), and he accelerated Vietnam.
Having said all that (which is why he is not in the Top Ten) He was also, if hypocritically so, deeply committed to Civil Rights advancement. His brinkmanship with Russia nearly ended the world - but did not - and for that he must be given great credit. He was the most fiscally conservative Democrat in the 20th Century and his vision for America and our role in the world (The Apollo Moon Missions, The Peace Corps, The international succoring of liberty) where both real and genuinely stirring.
The Bottom Ten - The Worst Presidents in U.S. History:

I James Buchanan:

The worst President in U.S. history. Played with himself while the nation moved towards Civil War and 600,000 deaths. His inaction was a colossal betrayal of trust and duty. When he did act, he only made things worse. Indeed, it was the incompetence and moral cowardice of Buchanan that underscored the superiority of his successor, Abraham Lincoln.

II Andrew Johnson:
After Lincoln's assassination, Johnson single-handedly ensured that reconstruction would fail. He undid all of Lincoln's promises of "Charity towards all, malice towards none" by simultaneously antagonizing white southerners while abandoning the recently freed slaves. A Southerner and racist, no one could have been a worse successor for the great Lincoln. He supported the enactment of "Black codes". He so alienated his own party and congress, they moved to hedge his authority. When he crossed them, the House of Representatives impeached him (one of only two Presidents in U.S. History). He was spared removal from office by one vote in the Senate.

III James E. Carter:

One of the most disappointing and tragic figures on my list. A man of great intelligence, sensitivity and moral fortitude, who turned out to be unable to face the challenges of office and adversity. A micromanager and idealist, Carter's naiveté coupled with an unwillingness to accept advice placed him a position of being feckless by default. On both the home front and internationally, tremendous energies were expended with no forward motion. The Soviet Union accumulated the greatest political and military advancements since the end of WWII while the Carter administration stood like a deer in the headlights. The oil crisis, unemployment, interest rates, and capped off by the Iranian Hostage crisis. Like a great academic politico, Carter could not handle the big chair when it came time to actually sit.

IV William Jefferson Clinton:

Clinton's first inaugural promise of being "The most Ethical Administration in the history of the United States", is a joke of such cosmic, gargantuan proportions, it is almost difficult to believe he actually said them. His moral turpitude, contempt for the rule of law, and outright corruption, coupled with several large policy failures (Energy Policy, Foreign Policy, Mid East Peace, The Military) are not offset by his one or two modest successes (GATT/WTO and welfare reform) nor his small part in one very large success (The economic boom). When you add in his horrifying disregard for the law, ethics, and personal accountability, Clinton emerges from the dust as a man of low practical ability and morals who played the instruments of personal politics and influence while the White House burned. The second President in U.S. history to be impeached. Like Johnson, he avoided being removed from office by one vote

V Calvin Coolidge:
If Clinton "fiddled while Rome Burned" then "Cool Cal" was in a coma under the guise of "minimalist conservative government". In addition, his high protective tariffs were a complete reversal of the free market ideals supported by his predecessors and aided in the coming of the Great Depression. Hoover often gets most of the blame for the great depression - I say it was Cal.

VI Lyndon B. Johnson:

His "great society" and "war on poverty" is a legacy we are still paying for today. The class warfare attitudes and cycle of government dependence created by his failed attempts at democratizing socialism formed the basis of a divisive and counterproductive policy which helped lock hundreds of thousands of lives into permanent poverty and underclass. His escalation of the War in Vietnam for purely personal political purposes was underscored by his cowardice in refusing to run for a second elected term when it became clear he would be the "first President to lose a War". Only his support of civil rights (ironic considering what a vicious racist he was) prevents him from being in the top 5 of my list.

VII Gerald Ford:
Knew nothing, did nothing. As a congressman, never introduced ONE bill in 22 years! Was a gleeful participant in the greatest lie ever forced on the American people (the Warren Commission investigation of JFK's assassination). While these had nothing to do with his presidency, we should have seen the rest coming. Gerald Ford's sole job was to secure a Presidential pardon for Nixon. That is the only reason Nixon picked him. There is no other way this cosmic milquetoast could have even managed a wet-dream about becoming President.



VIII George H. Bush:

Shocked are you? I know most people who are acquainted with me will be.
Even if you do not like him, "can he be that bad?" you ask? Yes.
Why? Forget leaving Saddam in power (not his fault) forget the economy (not his fault), Bush's biggest problem was his need to cover up his past and his willingness to utilize his most sacred Presidential power to do so.

On Christmas Eve, 1989, George Bush ordered the invasion of Panama, a sovereign neighbor, to remove the arguably popularly supported head of state so he could stand CRIMINAL charges in an America Court for narcotics trafficking. Huh? That would be like Tony Blair unleashing the British military (on the 4th of July) to invade New Hampshire because the mayor of Butts-ville was doing 100 mph in a 55 zone. Why did Bush do it? To avoid impeachment. Noriega was a U.S. CIA puppet who helped run drugs and launder money for the CIA. Bush was involved (both as VP and as CIA director) and Noriega was too dangerous to leave around. During his trial, 4 DEA agents were barred from testifying, under oath, that Noriega was working with the U.S. Have ya ever wondered what happened to Noriega? Have not heard anything about that since have we? The whole thing just kinda went away...

IX Richard M. Nixon:

Obvious - the only reasons which kept him out of the top five (and ALMOST took him off the top ten)
a) Only Nixon could go to China...
b) He ended the Vietnam war.

X Ulysses S. Grant:
*sigh* Another one I weep to place on the list (like Carter). Great man, honest man, man of tremendous personal character and leadership. Naive, politically lazy, and a sucker. The most corrupt administration in U.S. history (due to the fact that Grant was surrounded by slime that he was never quite able to recognize or deal with). Only his personal traits save him from more damaging condemnation.

Dis-Honorable Mentions:

- Zachary Taylor/Millard Fillmore/Franklin Pierce: The three Presidents who preceded Buchanan and Lincoln. All aided in their own way the coming storm of Civil War.


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To: KC_Conspirator
The Kidd has it right. Bush 41' does not deserve to be on the worst list. His conduct on the war was superb - our forces put the world on notice that we were back. If you remember at the time the same yahoos who were talking about "quagmire" and "another Vietnam" were talking about the Persian Gulf War. It is not Bush's fault we stopped going to Baghdad, but rather the liberals, arabs, and their foolish UN policies.

This is not the first time this dimwit has tried to paint this picture. Unfortunately for him, he has nothing to back up his accusation. The guy gives Kennedy an honorable mention for Pete's sake. How seriously can you take him?

41 posted on 01/21/2003 9:48:38 AM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: KC_Conspirator
...could not disagree more, Bush I was a failed president primarily because of one individual: Sadamm Husein!
42 posted on 01/21/2003 10:18:08 AM PST by meandog
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To: Austin Willard Wright
BTW, most of your top ten became "great" by taking us to war. Is there a pattern here?

Nope, most of them were great by being great: The most recent example--Ronald Maximus Reagan!

43 posted on 01/21/2003 10:21:09 AM PST by meandog
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To: cousair
Clinton's name should NEVER be included on any list of BEST PRESIDENTS....NEVER,NEVER!!

Except on some liberal list (such as Time/CNN--which will change over the course of history) he's not!

44 posted on 01/21/2003 10:22:32 AM PST by meandog
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Harding in the bottom dozen?! Poor Warren can't get no respect! He slashed taxes and spending, reduced inflation, and preceded over a vigorous post-war economic recovery. He dared to speak out for civil rights in the South in contrast to the segregationist Woodrow Wilson. His administration gave us the Washington Naval Treaty, which brought sweeping multi-lateral arms reductions.

Warren G., IMHO, was the "Clinton" of the 1920s. A total immoral failure!

45 posted on 01/21/2003 10:24:26 AM PST by meandog
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To: jpl
FDR above Reagan? Heresy, especially on a site like this (one would think). Personally, I don't really have a problem with him being in the top ten given his role in bringing us into the War, but his complete disregard for basic constitutional principles and desire to be "President for Life" move him way down the list in my opinion. He's the reason why we had to pass the term-limit amendment to the constitution.

FDR deserves recognition mainly because his handling of the Great Depression and WWII,

46 posted on 01/21/2003 10:26:00 AM PST by meandog
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To: AntiGuv
Hmmmm... That's a tough question. I recall the debate at the recent turn of the century regarding who was the "Man of the Century" (by Time Magazine standards). I remember thinking at the time that Hitler without question had the most dramatic impact on the course of history - indeed, one of the most dramatic for the entire millennium. The problem with the term "great" is that it not only connotes magnitude but also connotes excellence. As such, one must balance the magnitude of the individual with the excellence of his endeavors. Hitler fails on the latter score, not the former..

Albert Einstein was Time's Man of the Century.

47 posted on 01/21/2003 10:27:23 AM PST by meandog
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
Any list that has "Cool Cal" in the BOTTOM 10 isn't worth perusing. When was the last time a President vetoed a bill and sent it back with the message "I find no authority under the Constitution for the federal government to undertake that which is outlined in this bill"?

AKA "Silent Cal". BTW, he holds the record for the least amount of vetoes...he was also often referred to as "Old Rubber Stamp"!

48 posted on 01/21/2003 10:29:49 AM PST by meandog
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To: Alberta's Child
"Also, I suspect that once the 1960s generation fades into history and the last 50 years can be viewed objectively, JFK will start showing up on lists of the worst presidents in U.S. history. If you go back and look at the three years he was in office, they are remarkable only because almost nothing of note was accomplished during that period."

JFK did lower taxes to jump start the economy, and he was the driving force behind the "space race" to beat the Sovs to the moon. Aside from those two things I agree with you.

49 posted on 01/21/2003 10:33:19 AM PST by Destructor
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To: AntiGuv
"Impact on the course of History"

That any measure can be of this is not only fantasy, it is a form of idolatry. The best measures are honesty, courage, bold righteous leadership and kindness.

Washington, Cleveland, Lincoln, Jackson, Polk, T. Roosevelt, Coolige, Truman, Jefferson, Monroe, Van Buren ... good Presidents.

I too am bothered by the Noriega action and wonder what role the Chinese had in it -- after all they do have the canal, don't they.

50 posted on 01/21/2003 10:34:30 AM PST by bvw
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To: meandog
I disagree. Klinton did not run on "Its the foreign policy, stupid" and Bush I only lost because of one man - Ross Perot. The problems we are facing today with Saddam have to do with liberals in the State Department and the UN. Our tanks were 100 miles from Baghdad with nothing in between them but small desert lizards and a couple of village goats. But the UN signed the cease fire which ended hostilities. Know the modern history. Go back and look at the hypocritical Madelaine Albright's of 1991 who were screaming on TV not to invade Iraq, but years later blamed their failures on Bush I for not invading Iraq.
51 posted on 01/21/2003 10:39:55 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Destructor
JFK did lower taxes to jump start the economy, and he was the driving force behind the "space race" to beat the Sovs to the moon. Aside from those two things I agree with you.

The liberals have gotten to you! They look at Kennedy's lack of accomplishments and try to bestow the "space race" on him to make up for it. American scientists had been competing with the Soviets for a decade before NASA was established in 1958 (3 years before Kennedy took office). Pioneer I was launched later that year in response to the Soviet Sputnik I. On average the were more (ad more complicated) launches during the Johnson and Nixon Administrations than during Kennedy's. He did not get around to making his "We choose to go to the moon" speech until he had been in office for three months. "driving force behind the 'space race'?" Baloney.

52 posted on 01/21/2003 10:43:38 AM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: meandog
Well...Warren fooled around but then did some of your "greats."

Even here, the last historiography indicates that this "immorality" is highly exaggerated. For example, the famous Nan Britton story about the illegimate child was probably a complete fraud.

So what is your evidence that he was a "total" moral failure? That he played poker in the White House? So did Harry Truman.

Harding, unlike Clinton, was a modest man who (whatever his mistakes) meant well and did not lust after power for power's sake. Comparing him to Clinton (a serious charge!) is totally unfair, especially since you have not provided evidence for this charge.

53 posted on 01/21/2003 10:50:07 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: meandog
In my view, the ten greatest presidents list is not congruent with the ten best presidents. FDR was certainly one of the greatest presidents but surely not one of the best. Ditto Lincoln. The great presidents are tho ones who had the most power and largest effect on history .

The best were the ones who governened the best. I would put Coolidge on the best list even given the tarriffs that he inherited because of his true laissez fair attitude toward buiness and the resulting prosperity. I would put Hoover on the worst list because of his support for Smoot-Hawley that crippled world trade for a generation and was a major contributor to the great depression.

54 posted on 01/21/2003 10:51:16 AM PST by arthurus
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To: meandog
Not worth quibbling over the little stuff (FDR vs. Reagan, though I'd personally rank FDR far lower).

From the worst list, I'd take off 41 -- that sounds too much like a personal vendetta on the writer's part. Coolidge sounds like a similar, smaller grudge to me.

I'd also take off Ford. He didn't do much, granted, but I think the pardon of Nixon ended something that would have hurt the American psyche so much that Carter's malaise would've been cock-eyed optimism in comparison. Ford sacrificed his political career for the good of the country when he pardoned Nixon -- and still managed to almost get re-elected.

My top Three:

1. Washington. Established the Presidency
2. Reagan. Re-established the nation's strength. Essentially won the Cold War without too much baggage being left over.
3. Truman. Made the hard decisions to drop the bomb; then to stand up to communism.

Lincoln and FDR have too much baggage for me to put in my top three. Honorable mention to John Tyler, for no other reason than he's one of my wife's ancestors. Well, he did establish that a President who comes to power, through the VP position, has all the powers of the Presidency; I suspect there could have been some major and destructive power-struggles when later Presidents died, if that had not been established.

My Worst 3:

1. Carter. Let America be kicked, then said, "Please, sir, may I have another."
2. Buchanan. I think this article states it well enough.
3. JFK. Whether or not Eisenhower planned it, with the Bay of Pigs, JFK started the American "tradition" of half-a'ing military actions. Either do what it takes or don't do it at all. Every President since then has done the same -- even Reagan ducked on Lebanon. I'm hoping that 43 breaks the tradition, but we've yet to see, one way or another.

Clinton was a morally corrupt, possibly even murderous, President. However, once the Health Care plan collapsed, he was content to do what it took to stay alive politically. His Presidency was sickening, but not, life-threatening to the nation, as I think Carter, Buchanan, and JFK's were.

55 posted on 01/21/2003 10:52:26 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: meandog
My top choices, in order:

1. George Washington - without him we wouldn't have an independent country and a free republic.

2. Thomas Jefferson - ditto

3. Teddy Roosevelt - read his biography. A great American bigger than life.

4. Ronald Reagan - Destroyed the "Evil Empire' and changed our view of government

5. Adams - another prime architect of our Republic

6. Polk - won the first war with Mexico (the Second one is down the road somewhere).


7. Monroe - Monroe doctrine



The Bottom of the Barrel. These were all so bad, I can't even rank them in any order:

Bill Clinton

Franklin Roosevelt

U.S. Grant

Warren G. Harding

Woodrow Wilson

Abraham Lincoln

Richard M. Nixon

Jimmy Carter

Lyndon Johnson

George Bush I

Gerald Ford

56 posted on 01/21/2003 10:52:53 AM PST by ZULU
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To: KC_Conspirator
I disagree. Klinton did not run on "Its the foreign policy, stupid" and Bush I only lost because of one man - Ross Perot. The problems we are facing today with Saddam have to do with liberals in the State Department and the UN. Our tanks were 100 miles from Baghdad with nothing in between them but small desert lizards and a couple of village goats. But the UN signed the cease fire which ended hostilities. Know the modern history. Go back and look at the hypocritical Madelaine Albright's of 1991 who were screaming on TV not to invade Iraq, but years later blamed their failures on Bush I for not invading Iraq.

You might want to check into tapes from both History and Discovery Channels (both extremely fair and balanced)...Bush I, as you pointed out, had the opportunity to continue on to Baghdad yet, primarily because of concerns about carnage on "Highway of Death" (not the U.N.) chose to halt our troops. The Republican Guard were allowed to escape almost completely intact with their equipment which was later used on Kurdish and Shitte uprisings while U.S. sat idly by...it was, IMHO, a blunder of tremendous proportions. Bush I operatives later tried to blame Gen. Powell (the man Bush II chose as his Secretary of State) for the stoppage of the war. But Bush I was CIC and, as Truman points out, the buck stops there!

57 posted on 01/21/2003 10:52:56 AM PST by meandog
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To: meandog
How did FDR "handle" the depression? The country was still mired in Depression on the eve of World War II!, more than ten years later. Previous depression (such as the short but sharp decline under Harding) were over in one to three years in great part because earlier presidents pursued less statist policies. If that's your example of success, I'd like to see your example of failure.
58 posted on 01/21/2003 10:53:19 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Well...Warren fooled around but then did some of your "greats." Even here, the last historiography indicates that this "immorality" is highly exaggerated. For example, the famous Nan Britton story about the illegimate child was probably a complete fraud. So what is your evidence that he was a "total" moral failure? That he played poker in the White House? So did Harry Truman.

It wasn't only his dallience in White House closets with female visitors, or the Teapot Dome scandal in the Interior Dept. There were numerous illegalities in the Justice and Veterans Bureaus. As well, he constantly strattled Wilson's League question.

59 posted on 01/21/2003 11:00:40 AM PST by meandog
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