[Torie]

Presidents when they try to change public opinion, pick their shots, based on conviction and politics. Bush hasn't picked immigration as one of his. What he has picked is the war on terror and education and faith based initiatives. You know that is what he cares about, because those are the issues on which he slips on occasion into uncharacteristic eloquence. Bush is not a subtle man by and large. If you don't like his emphases, then do what you have to do. Sure, I would prefer to have more eloquent and imaginative and truly pricinpled risk takers in politics, that are more interested in changing the dynamic of the public square then in their own reelection, and that goes for both side. Do you have any ideas as to how that might be accomplished? I have one, but you won't like it.

[Karsus]

How can you fight the War on Terror if our borders are not protected? Do you think everyone of those people that wish to do us harm are not smart enought to know that is the easiest way to get into our country?

This is like having the worlds most advanced weapons systems then giving the people guarding them pop guns. It doesn't matter how advanced those weapons are if some one with an AK can just take out the guards then destroy your weapons with sub 100 explosive...

[Red Jones]

yeah, right, goerge bush cares about education. tell me another lie!!! George bush doubled spending on the department of education, from 30 billion to over 60 billion. This department of education only protects and enables the dysfunctional status quo schools. For 60 billion dollars goerge bush could have given $6,000 vouchers to 10 million kids. This would've revolutionized education system in america and been the beginning of the end for dysfunctional public school monopolies. This would've been a huge boon for education. But bush used that money instead to pay expensive bureaucrats in expensive suburban washington to dole out ridiculous rules that all the real educators say is making it more difficult to do their jobs. Yeah, bush puts education as a high priority. Nonsense, the guy is a liberal. This is not what we wanted when we elected him.