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To: Red Jones
No, the "problem" from your point of view is what is the accepted conventional wisdom among the critical mass of voters. Substantial change requires a substantial change in views. To blame Congresspersons for that is quite unfair. Most of them are just trying to survive.
5 posted on 01/20/2003 7:49:58 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
You are part of the problem.

We can blame them, you know why? BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE NOT FOLLOWING THRU WITH WHAT THEY HAVE PROMISED!

7 posted on 01/20/2003 7:52:21 PM PST by Karsus (TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD) Humor)
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To: Torie
you're very mistaken. But let's provide concrete examples to prove our points.

Take immigration. The overwhelming majority of american population desires a significantly smaller level of immigration. But the republicans refuse to even try to deliver. At least 9 years ago they had some among them who tried to lower the level of legal immigration. back then it was the democrats who were out of step and the republicans at least almost half in-step. But now both parties are out of step with the american people on immigration.

Ditto with illegal immigration. The republicans are out-of-step with the population on this issue as well.

The american population does not want runaway government spending. But under Bush the growth rate in government has increased dramatically. This occurred before 911. Bush didn't even increase defense spending until after 911. And even after 911 only one third of new government spending is for either defense or homeland security. In fact when the democrats controlled the House of Reps between 1990 and 1994 we had a slightly smaller growth rate in government than when the Republicans controlled the house of reps. So, the republicans are out of step with the american population on this issue also.

One thing the americans do support in overwhelming numbers is they want to preserve the integrity of the social security fund. As you know the revenues coming in for that program are not going to match the expenditures going out as of 2016 per latest estimate. But Bush just agreed to put millions of new recipients onto that program, many of whom don't even live in america. In other words Bush totally and completely destroyed the integrity of that fund just a week or so ago. Bush is way out of step with the americans on this issue. And unlike what you described he didn't try to change the americans' minds, he just arrogantly exercised his will, not our will.

Regarding trade, the americans do not want their manufacturing sectors to be sacrificed. Yet Bush has agreed that our nation shall engage in trade with china when china has their currency pegged at an artificially low exchange rate, thus sabotaging the american interests. Bush is way out of step on this issue also.

So, I just don't see your argument at all. Bush and the Republicans are not even trying to convince the americans of anything. They are simply ruling in a manner that we disapprove of.

But, I guess that if you're going to rule a country, then you need stupid peasants who will believe that up is down or down is up or anything you say so that bloodshed can be kept to a minimum.
11 posted on 01/20/2003 8:07:13 PM PST by Red Jones
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