[Torie]

I suspect your numbers include internal debt held by the social security trust fund. Calm down, and stop using the word "lied" so reckleesly. In any event, you post is off topic.

[Karsus]

The SS debt is debt that will have to be paid back.

And you asked for the information, so you have no room to complain that it is off topic.

[Red Jones]

bush is the one spending money like a drunken sailor. They're projecting now 300 billion a year in red ink. I guess rich George Bush has it under control though. His rich family is going to pay it back right, it's not our children or grand children who have to pay it back, it's the bush family right?

So, you're a pretty arrogant fellow, you told that karsus fellow that he didn't have his facts right. But, no the growth rate in federal spending went up dramtically in 2001. I've read it's double digit growth rate, fastest since mid 60's. And this liar bush promised us in the campaign of 2000 that he believed in a smaller government than the dems. But when he got in office he spent money faster than the dems. This man is a liar. We should all understand this.

And when we elect liars, then we're helping our nation to become a third world country.