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To: Paul Ross
WHEN I imagine you dismissing the following with a wave of your hand . . . I wonder what would go into such a response.

pp255-261

Corporate Manager of Fairchild Industries, Spokesperson for Wernher Von Braun, Dr. Carol Rosin Von Braun [rocket science pioneer] told me [in 1974] the reasons for space-based weaponry were all based on a lie. He said the strategy was that first the Russians, then the terrorists are going to be considered the enemy. The next enemy was asteroids. "The last card is the alien card, and all of it is a lie."….I was at a meeting in Fairchild Industries in the War Room. The conversation [was] about how they were going to antagonize these enemies, and there was going to be a Gulf War. Now this is 1977! -- pp. 255 - 259.

1) Would you really believe that Dr Rosin was never head of Fairchild? Check it out.

2) Would you believe she's a bald faced liar? Not consistent with her personality & character as revealed in her wording etc.

3) Would you believe her science credentials are bogus? Check them out.

4) Would you believe she didn't have the claimed association with Dr von Braun? Check it out.

5) Would you believe a dying von Braun would not be so candid with a qualified, careful, articulate, trusted scientific professional? Not so logical.

6) She's reporting from two different sources. (A) von Braun and (B) a meeting of such lofty, arrogant leaders of black projects discussing such planned threats 3 years later with her as part of the group. You assert that in spite of all the evidence about her personality, character and qualifications that she's a liar. Not logical, to me.

Perhaps I can put here some of her comments from the book:

DISCLOSURE: MILITARY AND GOVERNMENT WITNESSES REVEAL THE GREATEST SECRETS IN MODERN HISTORY (PRE-PUB ED) by STEVEN M GREER, MD.

p255: bio:

'Dr Carol Rosin was the first woman corporate manager of Fairchild Industries, and was spokesperson for Werner Von Braun in the last years of his life. She founded the Institute for Security and Cooperation in Outer Space in Washington, DC and has testified before Congress on many occasions about space based weapons.'

Part of her text on p 255:

"I am a Space and Missle Defense Consultant and have consulted to a number of companies, organizations, and government departments, even the intelligence community. I was a consultant to TRW working on the MX missle, so I was part of that strategy, which turned out to be a role model for how to sell space-based weapons to the public. The MX missle is yet another weapon system that we didn't need."

"I founded the Institute for Security and Cooperation in Outer Space, a Washington DC based think tank. I am an author and have testified before Congress and the President's Commission on Space."

"When I was a Corporate Manager of FAirchild Industries from 1974 through 1977, I met the late Dr Werner Von Braun. We first met in early 1974. AT that time, Von Braun was dying of cancer but he assured me that he would live a few more years to tellme about the game that was being played-that game being the effort to weaponize space, to control the Earth from space and space itself. Von Braun had a history of working with weapons systems. He escaped from Germany to come to this country and became a Vice President of Fairchild Industries when I had met him. Von Braun's purpose during the last years of his life, his dying years, was to educate the public and decision-makers about why space-based weapons are dumb, dangerous, destabilizing, too costly, unnecessary, unworkable, and an undesirable idea, and about the alternatives that are available."

"As practically a deathbed speech, he educated me about those concepts and who the players were in this game. He gave me the responsibility, since he was dying, of continuing this effort to prevent the weaponizaton of outer space. When Werner Von Braun was dying of cancer, he asked me to be his spokesperson, to appear on occasions when he was too ill to speak. I did this.

. . . [7 paragraphs outlining the sequence of enemies to fear that Von Braun said would be presented to the world] . . .

"What he told me was that there is an accelerated effort in place. He didn't mention a timeline but he said that it was going to be speeding up faster than anybody could possibly imagine. That the effort to put weapons into space was not only based on a lie but would accelerate past the point of people even understanding it until it was already up there and too late."

. . .

" . . . He mentioned that extraterrestrials were going to be identified as the final enemy against whom we were going to build space-based weapons back in 1974. The way he said it to me, there was no doubt in my mind that he knew something that he was too afraid to talk about."

. . .

"I have been tracking the space-based weapons issue for about 26 years. I have debated Generals and Congressional Representatives. I have testified before the Congress and the Senate. I have met with people in over 100 countries. But I have not been able to identify who the people are who are making this space-based weapons system happen. I see the news. I see the administrative decisions being made. I know they are all based on lies and greed."

"But I have concluded that it is based on a few people making a lot of money and gaining power. It is about ego. It is not about our essence and who we really are on this planet and loving each other and being at peace and cooperating. It isn't about using technology to solve problems and heal people in the planet. It isn't about that. It is about a few people who realy are playing an old, dangerous, costly game for their own pocketbooks and power struggle. That is all it is."

. . .

"Suddenly I stood up in the room and said,Íf nobody can tellme why you are planning [in 1977] a war in the Gulf when there is a certain amount of money in a budget so that you can create the next set of weapons systems that will be the beginning of the sel to the public about why we need space-based weapons, then consider this: my resignation. And you will not hear from me again!' And nobody said a word, because they were planning a war in the Gulf and it happened exactly as they planned it, on time."

[S Greer]: "Who was at this meeting?"

"CR The room was filled with people in the revolving door game. There were people that I had seen once in a military uniform and other times in a gray suit and an industry outfit. These people play a revolving door game. They work as consultants, industry people, and/or military and intelligence people. They work in the industries and they revolve themselves through these doors and right into government positions."

. . .

Ïn about 1990 I was sitting in my living room looking at the money that had been spent on space-based weapons research and development programs and I realized that it had come to that number, about 25 billion dollars, and I said to my husband, Í am now going to stop everything. I am now going to stop and sit and watch CNN television and I am going to wait for the war to happen.'My husband said, 'Well, you have finally gone over the edge. You have flipped out.' Friends said, Ýou have really gone too far this time. There is not going to be a war in the Gulf, nobody is talking about a war in the Gulf.'"

"I said, 'There is going to be a war in the Gulf. I am going to sit here and wait for the war in the Gulf.'And it happened right on schedule."

I believe her.

But I think she hasn't thought of or might not believe--God is going to use it all to show the futility of solutions apart from Him. He's not about to allow man to perfect himself--as if it were possible. He's going to make abundantly clear the perversity of the human heart--at the highest and lowest levels. He's been giving mankind plenty of rope to hang ourselves on mankind's own evil hearts determined to be fiercely independent from Him.

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Does this honestly sound like a lying flake?

Would she dare lie about such things in such a book? Would Greer dare publish something not true in a book and project the major purpose of which is to INCREASE CREDIBILITY to the point of the whole world paying attention above the dark project deceptions and spin masters?

Doesn't fit my logic.

211 posted on 01/20/2003 3:02:47 PM PST by Quix (11TH FREEPCARD FINISHED)
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To: Quix
In my estimatation, Rosin and Greer are both flakes. Rosin's politics is indisputably left-wing drivel. She reminds me of the Republicans who just want to be the financiers of the Democrats Great Society. She is the technocrat who wants to provide the brains to actually implement the furthest Greens-Left wackiness. She is a soul mate of that demented cretin Helen Caldicott, who has been thoroughly debunked as not only not a scientist, but merely a communist agitator -propagandist many times. Carol Rosin is thus either a 'fellow-traveller' or a 'useful idiot.' I have my opinion.

Carol Rosin. Space Flake.

218 posted on 01/20/2003 9:39:18 PM PST by Paul Ross (And I thought I was paranoid!)
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