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RIAA's attempt to hold ISPs to account is risible
the inquirer ^ | Sunday 19 January 2003 | Jack Russell

Posted on 01/19/2003 9:48:39 AM PST by jimkress

HILARY ROSEN -- Jack Valenti's RIAA female clone -- has now gone on record saying that as part of the fight against music piracy, ISPs should be held accountable for the actions of their users and charged a fee for giving their customer's access to services such as Kazaa or Morpheus.

The result of holding ISPs liable for the ways their customers use them would be catastrophic. Should ISPs be held accountable for the actions of pedophiles? How about members of racist groups? How about groups that are legal but we wish weren't, like the KKK, Aryan Nation, and the American Polka Dancing Society?

While ISPs are held accountable for removing illegal materials when detected, the idea that they should be held accountable for what their users might do is ridiculous.

Its astonishing that after so many months the RIAA continues to ignore what its consumers have been screaming in its face. We don't see the recording industry moving to address problems of overwhelming same-ness in music, high CD prices, or low artist compensation.

Even their competing download services are a joke, with draconian requirements, high fees, and—my favorite—the ability to delete your music in the event you stop paying for the monthly service. Did I mention you can't burn any of your music library either? What a joke.

If the RIAA had been thinking during the Napster battle they'd have swallowed their pride and cut a deal with the service (which was, after all, owned by a music company), whose downloads they could monitor and whose users could be tracked.

While they were busy grinding the life out of Napster, however, its evolving successors took shape, minus the technical and legal flaws that had brought Napster's downfall. Now the RIAA is preparing to take on Kazaa -- a much more complicated process, given that company's foreign status. But even as they do, a new generation of file serving technology is doubtlessly under construction — one deemed at making its users even harder to trace or discover.

Promoting copyright restrictions and digital rights management technology is not going to solve the music industry's problem. From a technological standpoint it's unfeasible—there will always be a way to intercept the output from a stereo system and redirect it for copying purposes. Such methods can be made more difficult and time consuming, but they cannot be completely eradicated.

Even if the RIAA could choke off unlicensed sound completely, it still has a bigger problem to face in the dissatisfaction of its customers. Somewhere along the line, the music industry has decided it can control how consumers listen to music without consulting them. You can't bludgeon people to obey rules they've already decided violate their principles of fair use and in this day and age you can't keep them from doing something about it. It's time for the RIAA to either face and accept that fact or get used to seeing a lot of red ink. µ



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: bootlegs; goonsquad; internet; isp; itsaboutmoney; music; piracy; recordingindustry; riaa; shakedown
This guy is correct in his assessment of the RIAA.

You want to stop the RIAA? Organize a one year, world wide boycott of all music products. Send the sales of the members of RIAA to zero. Then they will be willing to negotiate, on our terms.

After all, music is not like food. It's not required to sustain life. We can subsist on all our existing CDs, LPs, MP3s, etc. until we bring the RIAA to heel.

1 posted on 01/19/2003 9:48:39 AM PST by jimkress
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2 posted on 01/19/2003 9:49:24 AM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: jimkress
heh. Ooops. Already posted here.
3 posted on 01/19/2003 9:51:09 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: jimkress
Hilary Rosen is obviously desperate. There's no way this kind of thing will fly and she knows it.
4 posted on 01/19/2003 9:51:42 AM PST by lainie
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To: jimkress
Agreed! Screw the RIAA.

WHen I deed a job years ago a buddy talked me into joining the ASCAP music police with him. THe money was OK, but the job sucked big time. And the people running the operation were first class boobs.

prisoner6

5 posted on 01/19/2003 9:53:35 AM PST by prisoner6 ( I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered! I am a FREE MAN!)
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To: ShadowAce; Jim Robinson
FR search sucks. I did a title search for RIAA before I posted this article and got no hits on the one you linked.

This is not the first time this has happened

How the hell are we supposed to avoid duplicate posts if the friking FR search 'tool' doesn't work?

6 posted on 01/19/2003 9:53:40 AM PST by jimkress
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To: jimkress
This guy is correct in his assessment of the RIAA.

The funny thing was, Napster really showed the RIAA the future: As the author pointed out, the RIAA could have used the Napster approach and upgraded it, then allowed people (for a monthly fee) to access and burn music via a Napster-like portal.

Their other alternative would have been to cut CD prices significantly to make them more competitive with the cost of the time one has to spend to download and burn one's own CDs. But since they're still caught up in their old business model, there was no way they were going to do that.

Instead they're playing whack-a-mole, knocking down Napster only to see several other providers pop up.

Ten years from now the RIAA approach will be a business failure case study for just about every MBA program in the country.

7 posted on 01/19/2003 9:54:22 AM PST by Numbers Guy
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To: jimkress
Agreed. The search tool could definitely use some improvements.
8 posted on 01/19/2003 9:57:01 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: jimkress
Searching on "riaa's" works perfect.
9 posted on 01/19/2003 9:58:23 AM PST by The Obstinate Insomniac (Oppose Constitutional Verbicide)
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To: jimkress
You want to stop the RIAA? Organize a one year, world wide boycott of all music products. Send the sales of the members of RIAA to zero. Then they will be willing to negotiate, on our terms.

After all, music is not like food. It's not required to sustain life. We can subsist on all our existing CDs, LPs, MP3s, etc. until we bring the RIAA to heel.

Why boycott all CD's? There are many CD's which are not produced, sold, or in any way affiliated with the RIAA. The natural response to an RIAA boycott should be the publication of a lot more 'covers' or RIAA disks by non-RIAA artists. Under existing copyright law, anyone wanting to do a cover of an piece of music that has been released commercially in recorded form can do so by getting a compulsory license and paying the composer 8 cents per copy per song (i.e. about $1.20 on a 15-track CD). Note that the RIAA gets completely shut out of this transaction, and if the work was originally done by a singer-songwriter, that person may actually net more money than they would if you bought their record.

10 posted on 01/19/2003 11:48:35 AM PST by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: lainie
Hilary Rosen is obviously desperate. There's no way this kind of thing will fly and she knows it.

Don't kid yourself. Al Gore got the FCC to charge everybody an "Internet tax" on their telephone and cable bills.
11 posted on 01/19/2003 12:42:49 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: jimkress
This was also my thought, though 3 months would probably be sufficient to get their attention. It would be easier to get a larger fraction of folks to participate for a shorter period of time. If not, a year would certainly make Wall Street sit up and cause action to be taken against the various managements.

P.S. I'm already in full participation.

12 posted on 01/19/2003 1:56:53 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: jimkress
The RIAA has repeatedly shown themselves to be both arrogant and dumb.

Arrogant because they believe they should have total control over what music you listen to and when; dumb because last year they were given a not-so-subtle warning by some hackers.

I am just going to sit back and watch as these fools go down in flames.

13 posted on 01/19/2003 2:31:42 PM PST by Houmatt (The OTHER Axis of Evil: The ACLU, Planned Parenthood, the NEA, and the Rats.)
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To: jimkress
Don't even need to boycott "music" products. Just buy used records, tapes, and CDs. Don't get CDs from the library because it might encourage the libraries to buy more CDs.

We can starve out the industry because there is a surplus of music recordings available to the consumer.

14 posted on 01/19/2003 4:15:11 PM PST by weegee
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To: Numbers Guy
The industry would still like to control the marketplace. Payola and monopolies and all that. They sign bands for multiple album deals. If they can't control the marketplace, they may find that the music trends have passed them by and they are stuck with a stable of bands with no future.

Right now Big Media has a lock on distribution, store placement, advertising/promotion, and radio play. Intenet distribution of all artists levels the playing field too much.

15 posted on 01/19/2003 4:20:42 PM PST by weegee
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To: Houmatt
I am just going to sit back and watch as these fools go down in flames.

This is what happens when you let lawyers run business policy. I'm sure that this behavior all seems very reasonable to Hilary Rosen; she's doing what any lawyer would do to protect her clients. It's just that this isn't a legal problem. She is the proverbial person with the hammer, to whom all problems are nails.

Somebody with some music-business sense needs to get in there and kick some butts, and throw her over the side while they're at it. If they keep her in there much longer, they'll be watching their trade association suing their customers. This whole approach is madness.


16 posted on 01/19/2003 4:51:56 PM PST by Nick Danger (Tag deleted by the Tag Monitor)
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