Myths of Martin Luther King

www.lewrockwell.com ^ | January 18, 2003 | Marcus Epstein

[TaZ]

"Do you support state-imposed integration? (i.e. bussing?)"

After being reared in an almost entirely caucasian Southern Kalifornia, my family moved for a few years to the midwest in the mid-70s.

The high school I attended was the subject of forced bussinf of blacks into a white community, after the blacks had twice burnt to the ground high schools constructed in the black community.

The result was daily violence, drug trafficking and yearly riots during the last month of the school year.

Having no exposure to black culture, I was horrified to my initial introduction to it.

I am not surprised that although blacks only make up about 10% of the Amerikan populace, they constitute 30-40% of the prison population.

[TaZ]

"So when are you leaving?"

Are you telling me to leave?

I'm sorry, but I'm not ready to depart from the country that my family has lived in for over 250 years.

I wonder if they would have participated in every major US war since the rebellion against English tyranny if they knew it would become the farce it is today...

IMHO, we were better off under the crown of England.

[Holden Magroin]

Right on. In addition to playing the race card (calling the philosophy of Barry Goldwater, whose father was Jewish, "Hitlerism") and being a dupe for North Vietnamese propaganda, King was a major philanderer - hardly a person who should be honored with a federal holiday. Even Mr. RINO himself, John McCain, voted against the creation of a King holiday.

It's about time conservatives quit looking for approval from so-called civil rights activists by lauding King; groups like the NAACP don't even like him. While King seemed to advocate integration, the race-hustling poverty pimps want black college students to have separate-but-equal graduation ceremonies, dorms, and studies departments. Groups like the NAACP also insist on calling blacks "African-Americans" in order to stress that they're "Africans" first and Americans second. People like Bill Bennett and Jack Kemp need to pull their heads out of their asses and realize that the race hustlers don't share their vision of a colorblind America.

Also, conservatives right here at Free Republic need to quit boasting of how Republicans helped pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which forced private "public" accomodations like hotels and restaurants to serve minorities. Forcing one group of people to associate with another is tyrannical and un-American.

[TaZ]

"race-hustling poverty pimps"

Classic take on these circus clowns...I have spoken in depth with Al "sharpy" Sharpton, and he is one of the biggest buffoons I have ever met.

These "race-hustling poverty pimps" only seek to enrich themselves by pandering to the malcontents.

[rdb3]

Are you telling me to leave?

Hardly. It was a question, not a demand. Since you are dismayed and loathesome of this nation and her citizens, it stands to reason that you might want to leave. Therefore, I asked the question.

I wonder if they would have participated in every major US war since the rebellion against English tyranny if they knew it would become the farce it is today...

Some can argue that it was a "farce" then.

IMHO, we were better off under the crown of England.

Now that was funny!

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[Joe Hadenuf]

It's about time conservatives quit looking for approval from so-called civil rights activists by lauding King

Think so? Be looking for President Bush to come out to honor and pay respect for King on Monday....

[rdb3]

Forcing one group of people to associate with another is tyrannical and un-American.

And the forced separation of people is American? Makes you wonder why it came to this, doesn't it?

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[rdb3]

I am not surprised that although blacks only make up about 10% of the Amerikan populace, they constitute 30-40% of the prison population.

Yo, Mike! We have a live one here.

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[per loin]

For an insight into the manufacturing of MLK out of Michael King (his real name) read Ellison's "The Invisible Man"

[TaZ]

"Hardly. It was a question, not a demand. Since you are dismayed and loathesome of this nation and her citizens, it stands to reason that you might want to leave. Therefore, I asked the question."

Actually, I'm hoping and waiting for a new "Age of Reason".

What is really funny is that I'm listening to an interview with Mel Gibson's father right now and he said he moved his family from NY State to Australia in an attempt to escape the NWO and the corrupt church in Amerika.

According to Mr. Gibson, both he and Mel have found the same trash in Government around the world (feces always floats to the top is what he said..lol) and came back to the USA with the hope of restoring the once great Republic.

"Aye, fight and you may die, run and you'll live. At least a while. And dying in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take our freedom?!"

[rdb3]

rdb3, do you have a problem with the english [sic] language?

Absolutely not, and you are mistaken. Those two statements are really one and the same given our history.

If it is un-American to force people who do not wish to be with another to do so, then it is also un-American to force people to separate. See? Two sides of the same coin. And our history shows us that forced separation was not only accepted, but called "American."

NOTE: I did not say nor infer that I agree with forced separation or co-mingling. Freedom of association is a right, not a priviledge.

When I read the word "statist," I know I'm dealing with a libertarian. Besides, what are you dealing with me for anyway? I have that skin color of that 30-40% you spoke so highly of previously. You'd think that you'd have absolutely nothing to do with me.

Nothing further. Carry on.

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[rdb3]

...and came back to the USA with the hope of restoring the once great Republic.

When was it "great?"

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[marron]

A few years ago, these guys would have been Democrats. A Republican in a town full of these guys would have to learn to keep a very low profile.

I can remember the old days, (I was young, but I remember). To speak ill of the good-old-boy establishment was guaranteed to get these guys up in your face. Likewise to be polite to people you weren't supposed to be polite to.

To openly declare your views, as a Republican, took a lot of raw, physical, courage. A Republican had to have some courage, but most probably learned to mute his views and blend in. A Republican who didn't watch his mouth would get a visit from the boys, who would remind him how things worked. A Black man with a smart mouth was guaranteed a visit from the boys.

As I say, I was young, but I had big eyes and big ears. I knew which side I was on.

I remember, years later, when King began to lead his marches. Of course, no one knew about his personal life, nor did they care. The people who hated him, did not hate him because he cheated on his wife, because that was not known. They hated him because he walked where they told him not to walk. They hated him because he demanded to be treated as a citizen, full and equal.

I of course remember the attacks on his people, the bombings that killed the little girls, the people that were beaten. All of the good people would say, of course thats terrible, but... Always a "but". Racism is terrible but... The Klan is terrible but... the killings are terrible but...

All of that ended the day King was shot dead. All of the equivocation, all of the temporizing, all of the "buts" were over. It is sad, and tragic, but it took his killing for people to fully confront what they were doing, and to finally leave it behind.

You may or may not agree, but I count 1968 as the year racism in America died. Some of the people in this thread are trying to make me think it still lives, but I know better. I saw it die. Since 1968 no one I know could ever say the kinds of things that were commonly said prior. They could not let themselves feel the kinds of things they commonly felt prior to 1968.

So, they can tell me he was whatever he was, and they may even be right, so far as it goes. But I saw what life in some places looked like before he stood up, and I saw what life was like in those same places, among those same people, after he was killed. Transformed.

Not many of us will ever make that kind of difference with our lives. Many of us will never make the errors he made, philosophically, or morally. But he stood up, and most others didn't.

It is important to recognize that most of the people who stood by, and did nothing, would have considered themselves Christians. The guys who committed the attacks most certainly were not, of course, but they could blend and find support from the good people of the community who, while they didn't approve, didn't speak up either. It is very important to recognize this. These people placed "culture", and community loyalty, above religion.

It is important to recognize that these people were the good, and decent, citizens. Because the worst evils occur when good people go off the track. We can all protect ourselves from evil people, because they are easy to recognize. Its the good people, the ones who put loyalty over principle, who make real evil possible.

[TaZ]

"When I read the word "statist," I know I'm dealing with a libertarian. Besides, what are you dealing with me for anyway? I have that skin color of that 30-40% you spoke so highly of previously. You'd think that you'd have absolutely nothing to do with me."

Until 1992, I was a republican volunteer/organizer in the Kalifornia Republican party...I have never voted or identified myself as a "libertarian".

Moreover, I judge individuals on their attitude and actions, not their skin color. My wife is of Mexican heritage and she is a beautiful, intelligent, loving person who is honest to a fault.

I do however find the so-called "African American" culture predominantly emotive, prone to violent behavior and racist attitudes...the 30-40% incarceration numbers for your culture is indicative of that...facts speak louder than words.

Maybe if "African Americans" sought to teach their children to co-exist and integrate with society, they wouldn't in large numbers become criminals.

In conclusion, it is my hope that all races of citizens in the US would ban together to protect each other's God-given rights.

The Founding Fathers made several mistakes when they established the Republic, which was BTW the greatest government instituted in the annals of human history, and one the biggest mistakes was allowing forcefully enslaved peoples to be brought to our shores as commerce.

[Intolerant in NJ]

... Al "sharpy" Sharpton...those who glorify King and criticize his "detractors" as having been derelict in their involvement in civil rights seem to deny that there were in fact many others working in their own ways to bring about racial justice. Probably the most effective used governmental channels, such as Truman and Eisenhower , and even under the hated Nixon the number of black children attending all black school in the south dropped from 68% in 1968 to 8% in 1972. King created a mass movement which eventually came to symbolize the "civil rights movement", but it became a movement in search of goals and leaders when most of the legal impediments to equal rights were undone, and given the kinds of people he had involved in its leadership (Stanley Levison, a financier for the communist party, for instance), it is probably not surprising that philosophically what passes for the movement today tends toward demands for preferences and entitlements, and towards flamboyant publicity seekers such as Sharpton. IMO the real legacy of King is a black populace which votes 90% for the 'rats, who advocate dramatic, facile solutions such as King seemed to promise, rather than 'pubs, who take a more deliberate, substantial approach.....