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To: vannrox
"The income tax system is voluntary in the sense that we can choose to fill out a form and send the money in, and avoid the tax collector coming out to our house. Voluntary does not mean that we can avoid the tax. It's a crazy claim. It's a goofy claim."

This explanation about what voluntary is sounds pretty goofy to me. So if a armed robber sticks a gun in my face and demands that I hand over my wallet, it is really voluntary on my part as to rather or not I actually hand over the wallet. Of course, if I don't hand over my wallet to the robber, he will probably shoot me. Voluntary isn't supposed to mean that if you don't do something, you are going to face serious legal consequences, or worse, as a result.

70 posted on 01/23/2003 6:30:14 PM PST by judgeandjury (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.)
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To: judgeandjury

So if a armed robber sticks a gun in my face and demands that I hand over my wallet, it is really voluntary on my part as to rather or not I actually hand over the wallet.

Slight difference, the armed robber is not acting within Constitutional or legal authority, the United States Congress is:

James Madison, Federalist #39:

James Madison, Federalist #45:

Constitution for the United States of America:

Voluntary isn't supposed to mean that if you don't do something, you are going to face serious legal consequences, or worse, as a result.

And just where in the tax law does it say anything about payment of taxes being Voluntary.

The Courts have made it very clear the payment of taxes is quite obligatory. The only choice you have is whether you do so on time under your own steam, or the courts order it in a distraint action. Either way the requirement for payment is obligatory with cash on the barrelhead.

In short the action of distraint, is requirement by court action to force payment. Our tax system relies on people meeting their financial obligations without compelling them to pay through perpetual civil suits the same as such is required to pay a debt for goods or service in a store. The payment is obligatatory in either case.

Suit and distraint in either case are only necessary when people evade their financial obligations to report and pay.

Flora vs U.S.(1960), 362. U.S. 145, and on pg. 176

BULL v. UNITED STATES(1935) 295 U.S. 247 :


71 posted on 01/23/2003 8:47:10 PM PST by ancient_geezer
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