Mom, son attacked by pit bulls (1 dog killed, 3 removed from apartment )

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 1/16/03 | SAEED AHMED

[Kevin Curry]

There's nothing naturally wrong with pit bulls,

Particularly dead pit bulls.

[Chemnitz]

Isn't it true that pit bulls have been bred to fight? I imagine there are some very mean strains out there.

I agree that simply banning a breed is not effective. Pets are banned from apartments and yet owners still keep them. The law foments rebellion.

Rabbit owners say that a biting rabbit should go in the stew-pot. (Remember Jimmie Carter's killer rabbit?) I do not think dog breeders are so choosy.

I know one family known for being mean to their pets. One dog bit the owner, so he took it out and shot it. Their relatives also have pets, even the same breed of dog, but those dogs are gentle and never bite.

[dtel]

All SUV's larger than a Suburu should be BANNED.
They are just way too dangerous for the average person to control.
And the power, my gawd, why does anyone need anything larger than a four cylinder?
I have read "news accounts" (and everybody KNOWS the media would never appear biased or spin a story) where these SUV's just veer out of control and mow down innocent bystanders.
Only macho people need a big vehicle like that.
I have had my Suburu for many, many years and not once has it ever veered out of control and killed innocent bystanders.
We must end the carnage, please I beg you, look into your heart and realize if we don't get rid of these evil monsters, more innocent children will die.

[Protagoras]

You seem to be quite scared for your personal safety, do you put yourself in a position to be harmed an inordinate amount of the time or what?

You are all mixed up. I am not scared, I'm determined.

The subject is life threatening animals. You move in next door to me and my family and you own one of those things, you are literally betting your life that it won't attack my family.

And just as an aside, I have had people point guns at me, three times in my life. I live in Chicago. If anyone of them did it while I was armed, they would be room temp now.

[rolling_stone]

Suv's are supposed to be operated by licensed drivers. Dog owners don't need a license or have to past a test on doggie do's and don'ts. Dogs have a mind of their own and can kill without being told to by their human unlike a gun or vehicle.

[dtel]

Dear merdoug, (Sorry you are relegated to form letter status)
Honey, no dog is a killing machine.
Just as no person is a killing machine without some training, intentional or not.
You may find this hard to believe but there are thugs out there that were raised with very little or no parental supervision. Really, it is true.
These people? like to gang up, it makes them feel more secure, with their new found security they find it quite profitable to take advantage of working people.
They like to carry big guns and have mean dogs, the better to intimidate you.
Blame the people causing the problem, not the law abiding owner who works with his "pet" to ensure it doesn't act in a way you might find intimidating.
By acting like this law abiding owner, is one the thug class, that is truly the problem, you might cause them to get pissed off and treat you like a liberal gun grabber.

[Protagoras]

All SUV's larger than a Suburu should be BANNED. They are just way too dangerous for the average person to control. And the power, my gawd, why does anyone need anything larger than a four cylinder? I have read "news accounts" (and everybody KNOWS the media would never appear biased or spin a story) where these SUV's just veer out of control and mow down innocent bystanders. Only macho people need a big vehicle like that. I have had my Suburu for many, many years and not once has it ever veered out of control and killed innocent bystanders.

Childish BS. If that is your idea of an analogy, you better go back to school.

We must end the carnage, please I beg you, look into your heart and realize if we don't get rid of these evil monsters, more innocent children will die.

The subject isn't your moronic ramblings about cars, it's about owning life threatening animals in proximity to others. The innocent children are mine, and if you let your dog at them, you are gone. You better hope for a law, to defend you, not me.

Let me guess, you are one of the guys who own one of these things.

[SandfleaCSC]

Particularly dead pit bulls.

Ah yes, how much fun would a thread be without our local ban everything, Jack-Boot licking, Taliban towel-boy chiming in.

I'd be willing to bet a month's pay that your a "cat man". That's not a compliment, BTW.

[KineticKitty]

lol, last time I checked SUV's were not capable of killing people all by themselves (san a driver and key) like a pit bull.

[Protagoras]

Blame the people causing the problem, not the law abiding owner who works with his "pet" to ensure it doesn't act in a way you might find intimidating.

Go to the head of your class, you finally get it. I hold you responsible. You get the death penalty if your dog attacks my kids.

I'm not a gun grabber, I'm an owner.

[KineticKitty]

san = sans

[BnBlFlag]

Four pit bulls in an apartment? This should win a Darwin award.

[Kevin Curry]

I wouldn't make it unlawful to own pit bulls. Rather, I would place pit bulls outside the protection of the law itself so they could be destroyed wherever and whenever they are found, with no repercussions to the person who destroys them (as long as they are destroyed humanely). So, if some tough dude or dudette wants to keep a pack of pit bulls he or she had better keep them out of public circulation alogether.

The pit bull is the canine equivalent of a rattlesnake. I am sure there are passive rattlesnakes too, but no person minding their own business in a public area should be put in the position of having to guess whether a rattlesnake snake coiled on the ground in front of them is going to bite or not.

[SandfleaCSC]

The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictibility is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. ("Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog," Los Angeles Times, Monday, October 9, 2000, Home Edition, Metro Section, Page B-5.)

In all fairness, therefore, it must be noted that:
Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person.

Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner most often is responsible -- not the breed, and not the dog.

An irresponsible owner or dog handler might create a situation that places another person in danger by a dog, without the dog itself being dangerous, as in the case of the Pomeranian that killed the infant (see above).

Any individual dog may be a good, loving pet, even though its breed is considered to be likely to bite. A responsible owner can win the love and respect of a dog, no matter its breed. One cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack.

This is from the CDC website. Keep talking and digging that hole TJ.

[Protagoras]

I guess it was bound to happen sooner or later. I'm not signing up for your whole post on the subject, but this is the closest I've ever come to agreeing with you.

[dtel]

As I have told you many, many times you would be much more concerned with my bull than my dog if I lived next door to you.

(Sorry, couldn't resist, I've got three of his grandbabies on the ground. Cute little guys.)
Post 46 really sums up my opinion on this whole matter.
Don't treat me like a thug because I own a Pit Bull.

[Kevin Curry]

You've just insulted cat owners, Senor Anarcho. They'll be by shortly to scratch and gouge out your eyes.

But I'm not one of them. I'm a dog owner. I've owned a black lab, a dachshund, a Britney Spaniel, and a weird little mutt that was 80 percent underbite and 20 percent nondescript terrier.

Pit bulls should be wholly annihilated from the face of the planet.

Or we can send them all to Anarchoville to live with you and all the cop-hating gomers that infest these threads.

[dtel]

All large guns should be eradicated.
They can obviously just go off and kill some innocent child.
I don't see why anybody should own a gun larger than a .22.
I have had my .22 for many years and it has never gone off and killed some innocent child.
Owner responsibilty isn't an issue here, it is the caliber of the weapon.
If that had been a .22, that poor child might have survived that horrible incident.
That must be the solution, ban all calibers larger than a .22 and these awful incidents will never happen again.

For all you Kill the Pit Bull maggots, that is exactly what you sound like.

[Protagoras]

Keep talking and digging that hole TJ.

The only hole that would be dug would be six feet deep.

The nonsensical argument you make is also a non starter. Any animal has some danger attached to it. An anecdotal story like the one you found is irrelevant. The subject is a breed which has been bred to be agressive and kill. Pit bulls and the like are killers of people in great numbers. They are like having lions and tigers.

So tell me that you think that lions and tigers should be allowed in populated areas. Then the hole will be the one you are in.

[phelanw]

I had a highly trained Lewellyn Setter that had the best nose of any bird dog I've ever seen in 30 years of quail and pheasant hunting. I was visiting my mother, was outside working on my trailer. I was keeping my bird dog in the house to protect him from the neighbor's pit bull. I let him out to use the yard (her yard), turned my back, and out of the corner of my eye saw the pit break its chain and make a bee-line for him. I ran to him, picked all 75 pounds of him up and ran for the house. The pit latched onto his flank.

Luckily (I guess) I am an amputee. I hit the pit in the head with the metal end of my prosthesis (okay, hook) about 5 times in rapid succession, dazed him, knocked him off, and made it inside.

I called the cops, told them if I had kept the hammer I was working with in my hand I would have bashed the pit's brains out. I said if he so much as stepped into the yard, I would get the hammer and do it. The officer thanked me, went next door, and told them I had his blessing to do just that. Don't even call us.

I hate them with a passion. I won't even tell my other story. But let's just say, my 357 is ready and waiting for the next one that gets dropped off out here on my property. And my aim is true.