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The Coming Wave of Grief
Citizen magazine ^ | Jan 2003 | Celeste McGovern

Posted on 01/14/2003 7:23:58 PM PST by Remedy

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1 posted on 01/14/2003 7:23:58 PM PST by Remedy
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2 posted on 01/14/2003 7:26:43 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Remedy
Wow.

Incredibly grateful for this post BUMP!
3 posted on 01/14/2003 7:29:11 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Remedy
"Susan took the gun home and later it went off in her apartment, blowing a hole in the wall and scaring her silly. "

Is it just me or does this statement tend to discredit the entire tale? It just doesn't wash! Guns don't just GO OFF.

4 posted on 01/14/2003 7:40:22 PM PST by lawdude
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To: Remedy
Beautiful post. I loved the debating posts. I find however that abortionists do not want debate. They scream, rant, rave... or just work insidiously behind the scenes like cockraoches.
5 posted on 01/14/2003 7:40:27 PM PST by friendly
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To: Remedy
Thanks for this powerful post, Remedy. The following is a post I placed on another thread earlier this evening which I hope will provide a ray of hope in this matter.

I have recently become familiar with some new research done by some people in Arizona which is as paradigm-breaking as the research done over the last 20 years ago or so by those who have been researching near death experiences.

Sarah and Brent Hinze have been researching pre-birth experiences and have written some fascinating books about what they have learned.

Their website is:

www.prebirth.com

They have written a book called "The Castaways-Safely in His Arms" wherein they explore in particular experiences of people with babies who have been aborted, or where babies have communicated with their parents-to-be and persuaded them not to abort.

Here is an excerpt from the last chapter of "The Castaways."

DEFENDING THE UNBORN CAN CHANGE HEARTS

Sometimes special opportunities arise to defend the rights of the unborn, as occurred with Sarah in the spring of 1997:

I was invited to speak at a breakfast of legislators, business, and professional leaders from the greater Phoenix area. Motivated by my love for children, including the unborn, I prepared my speech diligently and prayerfully to fit the half-hour I was promised. There was a sense of urgency in the air. Partial-birth abortion laws were under debate in the Arizona legislature. The people at this lecture could influence the final vote.

The morning of the breakfast, the speaker scheduled for the first half-hour went on and on, taking most of my time. When I was finally introduced, only seven minutes remained before the meeting's end. My fully prepared speech was out of the question. On the short walk to the podium, I silently prayed for guidance on what to say that would make a difference in so short a span.

Looking out over the audience, I set my notes aside and determined to speak from my heart. First, I quickly explained our research on the unborn, sharing briefly some of the stories I have collected, demonstrating that each soul lives before earth life and has a time, place, and purpose to be born.

Next, I spoke of the Oscar-winning film, "Schindler's List." Schindler knew about Hitler's insidious plan to destroy the Jews. While his fellow countrymen were either ignoring or contributing to the holocaust, Schindler risked his life to protect the rights and lives of Jews. He could not save them all, but he resolved to rescue as many as he could. This courageous man wept over lives he was unable to save. But the fact is, Schindler's noble efforts saved many thousands of innocent people.

I continued: Today there is another group of innocents being systematically destroyed--the unborn. "Those of you who protect the lives of the unborn against abortion, you are Schindlers. Each soul you save makes a difference."

I concluded with this account from our files:

A young boy drowned and later revived. After he had recovered, he described to his mother the brother he had met during his near death experience.

Puzzled, the mother reminded her son, "Honey, you know you don't have a brother."

"Yes, I do, Mommy. He was pulled from your tummy when you were only fourteen."

The mother was stunned. It was true. She had become pregnant at fourteen and secretly had the child aborted. She never told a living soul -- not her husband, not even her parents.

A gentle silence hung over the room. Eyes were moist. That group of people had truly "heard." They KNEW IN THEIR HEARTS that the unborn in heaven are entitled to their birthright on earth, the same as we who have already come.

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We conclude this book with a prayer:

Father, when it is their time, may thy unborn and castaway children leave the safety of thine arms and come down to find safety in our arms.

AFTERWORD

A few days after Sarah's talk, the Arizona legislature voted to ban partial birth abortion. A friend in the legislature called and explained that a week earlier there were not enough votes to ban partial birth abortion in Arizona. Of those who voted to protect the innocent, many had heard, or heard about, a seven-minute miracle that changed hearts toward unborn children.

On June 28, 2000, The US Supreme Court, by a 5 to 4 vote, struck down Nebraska's partial-birth abortion ban. Because of this decision, virtually all partial-birth abortion bans throughout the United States are now considered unconstitutional.

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I recently heard Sarah and Brent speak in person. They give an awesome presentation, and if anyone has the opportunity to hear them speak, they should grab it! I believe that their research is the new part of the equation that we in the pro life movement have been looking for. It is truly the means becoming available which can be the instrument to change many many hearts one by one.

6 posted on 01/14/2003 7:41:31 PM PST by TEXOKIE
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To: lawdude
Is it just me or does this statement tend to discredit the entire tale?

It's not just you..

7 posted on 01/14/2003 7:43:31 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: lawdude
Best Reference Book on Abortion Complications Updated and ...Detrimental Effects of Abortion: An Annotated Bibliography with Commentary (3rd Edition). This expanded and newly updated edition is the most complete summary available of statistically significant studies on abortion. Compiled by attorney and post-abortion expert Thomas W. Strahan.

Elliot Institute director, David C. Reardon, Ph.D., one of the nation's leading experts on post-abortion issues is asking pro-life advocates around the country to donate copies of Detrimental Effects of Abortion to their local public, high school, and university libraries.

Though Reardon works full time on post-abortion research, he says Strahan's earlier bibliographies have always been his first reference source whenever he begins a new research project.

"Tom Strahan has performed a great service in tracking down all the best studies and organizing their finding in a way that is easily accessible to the average reader," Dr. Reardon said. "Without it, the task of searching for this material on the Internet or in a reference library would be overwhelming. Many of the best studies are simply not indexed under the keywords you would normally expect to find abortion complications."

Strahan edits The Research Bulletin for the Association for Interdisciplinary Research in Values and Social Change and has written numerous articles on abortion. He hopes this revised and expanded reference book will help people to better understand the range of risks associated with abortion.

"Most people think that because abortion is legal, it's safe for women, period," Strahan said. "They think that as long as the government says it's okay, then it must be good for our society. They don't realize that many researchers and scholars studying this issue have found that just the opposite is true."

The Effects of Abortion Including Known Complications.

8 posted on 01/14/2003 7:49:49 PM PST by Remedy
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9 posted on 01/14/2003 7:50:38 PM PST by Remedy
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To: lawdude
Guns don't just GO OFF.

But very rarely a gun will "hang fire" due to faulty ammo. The usual drill is to point the gun in a safe direction and wait at least 15 minutes before carefully removing the round from the chamber.

Or suppose a bit of gummy grit kept the hammer from fully traveling. The spring could eventually push the grit aside and allow the hammer fall on the round...

10 posted on 01/14/2003 7:50:53 PM PST by null and void (Not bloody likely it would go off an hour later...)
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To: lawdude
"Is it just me or does this statement tend to discredit the entire tale? It just doesn't wash! Guns don't just GO OFF. "

guns don't just go off

No they don't but the grace of a loving God is harder to understand to an unbeliver silimar to the intervention of a loving God to an unbeliver. It may not wash but who knows the mind of God?

11 posted on 01/14/2003 8:00:15 PM PST by SERE_DOC (Unemployed........ will work for money)
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To: TEXOKIE
A gentle silence hung over the room. Eyes were moist. That group of people had truly "heard." They KNEW IN THEIR HEARTS that the unborn in heaven are entitled to their birthright on earth,

Soooo, the aborted unborn go to Heaven.
The Bible says we are all born in sin.
If one is born in sin and doesn't subsequently do whatever it is needed to wash away the sin, they go to Hell.
Given Free Will, there is no way to insure any given child will select the right path.
Therefore, the only way you can insure a soul goes to Heaven is to terminate the pregnancy.
No birth, no sin, go to Heaven.

Did I miss something here?

12 posted on 01/14/2003 8:01:30 PM PST by null and void (I hope...)
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To: null and void
Yes, dear heart, I think you did miss a great deal here! I am unwilling, however to enter into a debate with you over the matter. Suffice it to say that it is in my personal belief system that there are scriptures to back up a belief that souls who have not been born yet were created by the Father in Heaven, and therefore do come from Heaven. You are welcome to hold your own beliefs. In this great nation of America, perhaps you and I can just agree to disagree?
13 posted on 01/14/2003 8:06:26 PM PST by TEXOKIE
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To: TEXOKIE
FWIW, I do believe in the soul.

I am troubled by the reasoning I expressed in the earlier post.

I feel like someone who has stumbled across that false proof that 1=0, but am not clever enough to spot the error.

I strongly believe that abortion should be legal, safe and vanishingly rare, after all other options have been exhausted, and only to save the mother's life. Never just because a kid is "inconvenent".
14 posted on 01/14/2003 8:15:30 PM PST by null and void (I'm willing to agree to disagree, though...)
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To: null and void; TEXOKIE

15 posted on 01/14/2003 8:17:45 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Remedy
bump
16 posted on 01/14/2003 8:20:36 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: Remedy
Will look it over.
17 posted on 01/14/2003 8:23:13 PM PST by null and void (Thanks)
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To: null and void

FWIW, I do believe in the soul.

I am troubled by the reasoning I expressed in the earlier post.

I feel like someone who has stumbled across that false proof that 1=0, but am not clever enough to spot the error.

I strongly believe that abortion should be legal, safe and vanishingly rare, after all other options have been exhausted, and only to save the mother's life. Never just because a kid is "inconvenent".

Moral Question of Abortion is a very well written on-line book.

 

18 posted on 01/14/2003 8:27:02 PM PST by Remedy
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To: null and void
Given Free Will, there is no way to insure any given child will select the right path. When a child arives, there is a period of MANY months when that individual human being has yet to exercise any free choice, thus they are without sin, though the parents are 'in sin'. The phrase 'born in sin' (and in sin was I conceived, to finish the line, paraphrased) refers to the state of the parents, not the child, and especially not the child that has yet to exercise any free will, as with the unborn.
19 posted on 01/14/2003 8:29:20 PM PST by MHGinTN (Every individual human lifetime begins at conception and needs life support to continue for decades)
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To: TEXOKIE

each soul lives before earth life and has a time, place, and purpose to be born.

Fetal Psychology Psychology Today, Sep/Oct98, Vol. 31 Issue 5, p44, 6p, 4c.

Behaviorally speaking, there's little difference between a newborn baby and a 32-week-old fetus. A new wave of research suggests that the fetus can feel, dream, even enjoy The Cat in the Hat. The abortion debate may never be the same.

Awake or asleep, the human fetus moves 50 times or more each hour, flexing and extending its body, moving its head, face, and limbs and exploring its warm, wet compartment by touch.

Why people grow up liking hot chilies or spicy curries may also have something to do with the fetal environment. By 13 to 15 weeks a fetus' taste buds already look like a mature adult's, and doctors know that the amniotic fluid that surrounds it can smell strongly of curry, cumin, garlic, onion and other essences from a mother's diet.

Whether or not a fetus can taste, there's little question that it can hear. A very premature baby entering the world at 24 or 25 weeks responds to the sounds around it, observes Als, so its auditory apparatus must already have been functioning in the womb. Many pregnant women report a fetal jerk or sudden kick just after a door slams or a car backfires.

Vision is the last sense to develop. A very premature infant can see light and shape; researchers presume that a fetus has the same ability. Just as the womb isn't completely quiet, it isn't utterly dark, either. Says Filer: "There may be just enough visual stimulation filtered through the mother's tissues that a fetus can respond when the mother is in bright light," such as when she is sunbathing.

Along with the ability to feel, see, and hear comes the capacity to learn and remember. These activities can be rudimentary, automatic, even biochemical. For example, a fetus, after an initial reaction of alarm, eventually stops responding to a repeated loud noise. The fetus displays the same kind of primitive learning, known as habituation, in response to its mother's voice,

It's no secret that babies are born with distinct differences and patterns of activity that suggest individual temperament. Just when and how the behavioral traits originate in the womb is now the subject of intense scrutiny.

20 posted on 01/14/2003 8:35:01 PM PST by Remedy
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