Posted on 01/13/2003 8:55:15 PM PST by LibertarianInExile
Laura testified she "kept . . . pulling up, trying to sit up to get it out . . . [a]nd he grabbed my hips and pushed me back down and then he rolled me back over so I was on my back . . . and . . . kept saying, will you be my girlfriend." Laura "kept like trying to pull away" and told him that "if he really did care about me, he wouldn’t be doing this to me and if he did want a relationship, he should wait and respect that I don’t want to do this."
He rolled her over and continued the sexual intercourse. Laura told him that she needed to go home, but he would not stop. He said, "just give me a minute," and she said, "no, I need to get home." He replied, "give me some time" and she repeated, "no, I have to go home." Defendant did not stop, "[h]e just stayed inside of me and kept like basically forcing it on me."
Four or five minutes? He was probably finished by then.
I was not replying to you or the Chancellor; I was just making sure the other readers who were not on the original threads didn't fall for your nonsense.
Oh, come on. CP when to great lengths to state that his/her opinion was based upon the fact that he/she was a parent, and that basically my opinion is biased because I am not a parent. I think the totality of the posts CP has made shows that he/she is very gullible if he/she thinks teens dont lie their asses off. CP brought up hi/her family experience, not me, which makes it fair game.
was not replying to you or the Chancellor; I was just making sure the other readers who were not on the original threads didn't fall for your nonsense.
So tell us all about your children so we can trash them out like you are doing to other people's.
Which Laura never did. Nor did she testify that she screamed, yelled, left the room, was afraid, was threatened, told someone else at the party, called the cops....... She did mention enjoying two guys fondling her and admitted to lying back down on the bed and kissing John Z. after he re-entered the room naked, but I guess that's irrelevant because it casts doubt upon her claims.
I admit, when I read the first article without the parts of the trial transcript, I though she may have been raped too. The facts of the case, i.e., what she admits to, just don't jive with her other claims that John Z. denies.
Please re-read the sequence of posts I made. My #36 and #37 were to the forumn and Tall_Texan, not to you or CP. Once engaged by you in #41, and once disturbed by CP's disingenuous "bolding technique", I responded.
I apologize for not being as clear as I could have been.
Talk about pressure to perform well! ....(for guys, at least).
Yep, although I wouldn't exactly call those hags at NOW 'ladies'. Perhaps just 'female'....although that's a bit of a stretch as well.
White, Christian, male, heterosexual Republicans are public enemy #1, and will soon be outlawed if the trends in Kali continue.
Ain't that the truth. If you put a woman on a pedestal and try to protect her from the rat race, you're a male chauvinist. If you stay home and do the housework, you're a pansy.
If you work too hard, there is never any time for her. If you don't work enough, you're a good-for-nothing bum.
If she has a boring repetitive job with low pay, this is exploitation. If you have a boring repetitive job with low pay, you should get off your ass and find something better.
If you cry, you're a wimp. If you don't, you're an insensitive bastard.
If you make a decision without consulting her, you're a chauvinist. If she makes a decision without consulting you, she's a "liberated" woman.
If you appreciate the female form and frilly underwear, you're a pervert. If you don't, you're a fruit.
If you try to keep yourself in shape, you're vain. If you don't, you're a slob.
If you buy her flowers, you're after something. If you don't, you're not thoughtful.
If you're proud of your achievements, you're full of yourself. If you don't, you're not ambitious.
If she has a headache, she's tired. If you have a headache, you don't love her anymore.
If you want it too often, you're over sexed. If you don't, you must be seeing someone else.
We fellas just have to realize that there's no winning in this game.
Nah, just another state - California is such a joke on SO many fronts!
And please identify what is so Christian or Republican about the conduct of the two guilty young men (one of whom apparently pled) as was outlined in the actual opinion, as opposed to Ms. Parker's blatherings?
Regarding the subject of the article, under NO circumstances is rape anything other than a crime. In this case, however, intercourse began consentually - at that point it was, therefore, NOT rape. Like the article said, there was herculean effort for the guy to quit prior to climax - don't try tell me it was an easy matter to figure out in mid-act that consentual had changed to "oops, this is a mistake", but he did (in spite of the words "no" or "stop" not being uttered, and in spite of no empassioned screaming), and then stopped.
As the proud parent of four daughters, three of whom are happily married with families of their own, and youngest of whom is an award-winning college junior, don't presume to tell me ANYTHING about the rights of women!
I agree, that is a lot of information she left out. Sort of changes the whole "feel" of her article. (and the situation)
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