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Pollution threatens power project [California]
Fresno Bee ^ | January 13, 2003 | Mark Grossi

Posted on 01/13/2003 8:20:11 AM PST by snopercod

Edited on 04/12/2004 2:10:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Valley's lack of a plan to clean the air may delay San Joaquin plant.

The San Joaquin Valley's murky air could foul the future of a $550 million power plant that would supply one-third of Central California's electricity needs.

The California Energy Commission's staff, concerned about adding more pollution to the Valley's air, won't recommend licensing the power plant near San Joaquin in west Fresno County.


(Excerpt) Read more at fresnobee.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: calpine; calpowercrisis; epa; government; sanjoaquin
Calpine purchased 600 tons of credits at $30,000 apiece? That's $18 million, and they haven't generated a kilowatt.

And California blames other states for the high cost of their electricity.

1 posted on 01/13/2003 8:20:11 AM PST by snopercod
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert357; Dog Gone; randita; okie01
Californians don't want plants in the cites...or the suburbs...or in the countryside...or even in foreign countries.

Oooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

2 posted on 01/13/2003 8:22:27 AM PST by snopercod (Repeal the 17th Amendment!)
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To: snopercod
There's a plant over in Crockett (sp?) that manufactures lightweight aggregate. We used to send petroleum contaminated soil there to get processed through the rotary kiln (and it kicked ass, about 500 degrees hotter than other "dirt burners"). The guy running it at the time was telling me how he wanted to have the soil barged in, eliminating the truck traffic through town.

California Air Resources Board (CARB) said he couldn't do it unless he offset the tug boat emmissions of ~3 tons per year additional Nitrous Oxides (NOx). He tells them, no problem, we have ~240 tons of emmissions credits we aren't using and he's told "You can't use your own, you have to buy others". They wouldn't even consider the offset of truck traffic. After a couple of years at hearings they bagged the whole plan as the plant ended up being used full bore for aggregate and they didn't have time to clean dirt, cheaper to just landfill it...

After a while people figure it out, its not about the environment, its about control...
3 posted on 01/13/2003 8:36:23 AM PST by Axenolith (Whats in this cave? Wow, its dark... Do you hear that??? YAAAA...crunch crunch...BUURRRPPP...)
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To: snopercod
Meanwhile, the population of California continues to skyrocket, and the new residents expect to have lights. Where is that new power supposed to come from?
4 posted on 01/13/2003 8:53:07 AM PST by Dog Gone (turn out the lights, the party's over)
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To: Axenolith
Sad story. Even sadder is that the money the state gets from people buying these credits mostly goes to fund enviro-whacko groups.
5 posted on 01/13/2003 9:11:25 AM PST by snopercod (Repeal the 17th Amendment!)
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To: Dog Gone
Seems like its time for a flood of letters from concerned citizens to the state energy commission telling them to get out of the way.
6 posted on 01/13/2003 9:20:44 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: snopercod
"Ozone, a corrosive gas that forms on warm, sunny days, is the main ingredient in smog."

WRONG!!

Someone doesn't have the slightest idea what he's talking about.

Not that it surprises us, though.

7 posted on 01/13/2003 9:40:24 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: snopercod
The California Energy Commission's staff, concerned about adding more pollution to the Valley's air, won't recommend licensing the power plant near San Joaquin in west Fresno County.

A state spokesman says Valley and federal officials need to settle a dispute over air pollution reduction before the Energy Commission staff will recommend the project. The clash highlights the rising profile of air quality issues in the Valley, which ranks among the three dirtiest air basins in the country. The Valley already faces federal deadlines and possibly a delay in billions of federal road-building dollars over missed cleanup deadlines.

But federal regulators say they haven't decided yet if they buy Calpine's arguments, and the state Energy Commission staff won't budge until there is a green light over air concerns from the federal government.

Some Valley credits date back to the late 1970s, and they haven't been accounted for as part of a pollution reduction plan, said Matt Haber, senior energy adviser for EPA. Without a full accounting, federal officials worry about reintroducing pollution into the Valley's air.

"We don't have a problem with Calpine's project -- there could be many ways to make it work," said Haber. "But we've been clear about what we want from the [San Joaquin] Valley Air Pollution Control District. Unless the district takes action on a plan, the old credits aren't usable."

Let's see if I understand this. The California Energy Commission is refusing to endorse/approve a needed power plant because the San Joaquin Valley Air Pollution Control District has done a sloppy job in accounting for pollution credits and EPA is going to hold their feet to the fire, since the air basin is polluted.

The California government solution is not to put pressure on The Valley Air Pollution Control District to get its act together. The Energy Commission is asking that EPA and the Air Pollution Distict reach some kind of accomodation. Then and only then will the Cal Energy Commission rule on the project.

Yes, don't put these power plants in California, because California has too much air pollution. Oh course California's air pollution regulators aren't managing the situation so it's not their fault. Then again California doesen't want to pay too much for its power. Finally, polluting powerplants, according to California politicians, are not to be built in Mexico,as they will cause too much pollution.

8 posted on 01/13/2003 10:04:22 AM PST by Robert357
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...its not about the environment, its about control...

What a great observation! It is also about making sure that the environmental groups & gov. agencies looking good and looking like they are "doing something positive."

9 posted on 01/13/2003 10:08:23 AM PST by Robert357
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To: hedgetrimmer
I don't think Californians write letters.
10 posted on 01/13/2003 11:36:25 AM PST by snopercod (Repeal the 17th Amendment!)
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To: snopercod
You're right. We just do voice mail....
11 posted on 01/13/2003 1:18:16 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: snopercod
"Calpine purchased 600 tons of credits at $30,000 apiece? That's $18 million..."

$18 million for some paperwork generated by an environmental bureaucracy. Greenbacks, you might say...

This is how economies die. Investment capital is soaked up by an artificially-created cost of doing business...

Question: does the $600/ton payment go to the "Kern County oilfield business" or to the bureaucrats of the San Joaquin Valley Air Pollution Control District?

12 posted on 01/13/2003 6:22:43 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: snopercod; *calpowercrisis; randita; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; okie01; socal_parrot; quimby; ...
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13 posted on 01/13/2003 6:28:42 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Impeach Gray Davis!)
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To: Robert357
What a great observation! It is also about making sure that the environmental groups & gov. agencies looking good and looking like they are "doing something positive."

Methinks it's more about maintaining a shortage so that their friends can collect. There really IS a reason Davis got all that campaign money you know.

14 posted on 01/13/2003 6:35:12 PM PST by Carry_Okie (A faith in Justice, none in "fairness")
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To: Robert357; All
HOT DAMN! I got closure from regulatory oversight on a CHLORINATED SOLVENT site today!

2+ years work for less than an average 35 parts per billion, within the influence of a larger regional plume and in shallow groundwater that wouldn't see beneficial use if hell burst forth on the surface of the planet...

15 posted on 01/13/2003 7:11:08 PM PST by Axenolith (2 DUers walk into a bar..They were still there by the door, out cold, when I came out an hour later.)
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To: okie01
The ERCs are supposed to be used to fund "emission reduction programs" in the area, but are usually used to fund intrusive government programs or grants to the enviro-whaco organizations. Here are some:

         California Parking Cash-Out and Federal Commuter Choice Programs 
         Carl Moyer Program (Incentives for Cleaner Heavy-Duty Engines) 
         Incentives for Cleaner Vehicles (Local, State and Federal) 
         Innovative Clean Air Technologies Program 
         Low-Emission School Bus Program 
         Rice Straw Demonstration Project Fund 
         Voluntary Accelerated Vehicle Retirement Program 

16 posted on 01/14/2003 3:42:44 AM PST by snopercod (Repeal the 17th Amendment!)
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To: nightdriver
Someone doesn't have the slightest idea what he's talking about.

Ignorance is rampant on this. Here in the Great Smokey Mountains, the trees themselves are the greatest cause of smog. (That's why they're called smokey mountains, duh...).

But the local politicos use the blue haze every summer to pass draconian laws against power plants.

17 posted on 01/14/2003 3:45:37 AM PST by snopercod (Repeal the 17th Amendment!)
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"The ERCs are supposed to be used to fund "emission reduction programs" in the area, but are usually used to fund intrusive government programs or grants to the enviro-whaco organizations."

As I suspected. The $18 million surcharge goes toward the care and feeding of the enviro-whackos and their pet causes.

In other words, extortion...

18 posted on 01/14/2003 7:14:14 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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